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Help me with this, im comfused
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| Zombie0915 |
Sorry if you've seen this already
| quote: | >Subject: Help Me With This..... I'm confused
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>I'm trying to get all this political stuff straightened out in my head
>so I'll know how to vote come November. Right now, we have one guy
>saying one thing. Then the other guy says something else. Who to
>believe. Let me see; have I got this straight?
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>Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good... Bush
>awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
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>Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
>Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
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>Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
>Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
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>Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists-
>good... Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...
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>Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
>Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...
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>Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
>Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...
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>No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
>No WMD found Iraq - bad...
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>Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
>Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...
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>Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
>World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...
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>Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
>Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...
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>Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
>Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
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>Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
>Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...
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>Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
>Saddam turned over for trial - bad...
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>Ahh, it's so confusing!
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>Every year an independent tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax
>burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day". This is
>the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the government.
>This year, tax freedom day was April 11th. That's the earliest it has
>been since 1991. It's latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in
>2000. Notice anything special about those dates?
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>Recently, John Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are
>actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite the tax cuts. He gave no
>explanation and provided no data for this claim.
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>Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy
>men. Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns 4
>mansions, all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in
>Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your
>average A-frame).
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>Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that
>sound right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has
>figured out a way to avoid paying his own.. |
Not sure if everyone here is getting forwareded the same stuff as me but I came across thhis today and thought we might have fun arguing about it, muahahah. I definately think we dont hold people to the same standards, which isnt very fair, and this little bit of information leaves out a bunch of bad things that Clinton didn't have a parallel with. I kinda think its ok for us to go fighing in countries when they are commiting genocide and torturing people and when there is massive suffering because of the people in power at those places, what else would you expect of a country with a strong army?
Either way no matter who gets elected I don't see much hope for us, especialy if we get more similar people in power after this election, sigh. |
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| imokruok |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
Here are some differences.
No bid contract - conflict of interest for bush and cheney b/c cheney receives money from halliburton. |
Cheney divested himself of all Halliburton stock, and he gets "deferred compensation," which is completely independent of how well the company does.
FYI, other CEO's do it all the time, so they can take another job and not have a conflict of interest. You can go ahead and say that Cheney wants to make his friends rich from Iraq contracts, but Cheney himself doesn't get a single dime from Halliburton's current business. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by imokruok
Cheney divested himself of all Halliburton stock, and he gets "deferred compensation," which is completely independent of how well the company does.
FYI, other CEO's do it all the time, so they can take another job and not have a conflict of interest. You can go ahead and say that Cheney wants to make his friends rich from Iraq contracts, but Cheney himself doesn't get a single dime from Halliburton's current business. |
Indeed, Imokurok is correct. Halliburton could very well go bankrupt tomorrow or somehow win a multi-trillion dollar lottery and it wouldn't mean squat for Cheney's deferred compensation. |
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| speedracer_mec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Indeed, Imokurok is correct. Halliburton could very well go bankrupt tomorrow or somehow win a multi-trillion dollar lottery and it wouldn't mean squat for Cheney's deferred compensation. |
Try telling that to skerry's followers |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Try telling that to skerry's followers |
I'm tired of trying. They seem to lack a basic understanding of business. |
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| smokeape |
Yawn, straight from the anals of the Kerry campaign...
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[[[smoke]]] |
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| policerobots |
yup.
also note that Halliburton was the only company who could fix oil pipelines on that big of a scale. hence, of course there was no-bid
since as shakka said, they have no idea of business, they wont even take the time to look at their annual report to stockholders to see how their LOGCAP III and middle eastern divisions are doing.
the government pays halliburton in an "basis" of 2-3% which is jack compared to the normal companies who make 13-15% off their oil |
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| Renegade |
| This has already been posted and debunked. I'll post a link when the search function comes back up. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
are you saying then that if the us went to war, halliburton was gauranteed work b/c no one else could do it?
if this is what you suggest, then it would be in halliburton's interest to influence the administration to go to war. sounds like a good deal eh? |
Yes. Halliburton created a war so that they could make paper thin margins. I'll get Mulder and Scully on the horn. |
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| tecnolover |
| Whoever sent you that list is a plain liar and I won't even waste my time because after just the first few lines I knew it was written by an Islamic extremist spreading disinformation. Yes, they have access to the internet too! don't forget it. |
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| Seventil |
| quote: | Originally posted by tecnolover
Whoever sent you that list is a plain liar and I won't even waste my time because after just the first few lines I knew it was written by an Islamic extremist spreading disinformation. Yes, they have access to the internet too! don't forget it. |
Wouldn't an Islamic extremist want Kerry in office due to his more lax anti-terrorism beliefs? |
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| Dj_Irish |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seventil
Wouldn't an Islamic extremist want Kerry in office due to his more lax anti-terrorism beliefs? |
or they'd like Bush because his anti-terrorist policies has increased their recruiment base and at the same time pushed away many of US allies.
You can't ignore the fact that there is a lot more people around the world today who are upset with the US then there were before Bush became president. And that's despite 9/11. Things like that plays into the hands of various anti-US terrorists. |
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