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| Jayx1 |
| aaah but you see it's not unrelated at all. Thats what people dont get. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
aaah but you see it's not unrelated at all. Thats what people dont get. |
thought crimes and anti-smoking laws aren't related, give me a break:rolleyes: |
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| Jayx1 |
its all about the government controlling how you act, think and live.
Give them an inch and they take a mile. |
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| avikonen |
Guys,
Keep in mind the U.S's puritanical roots and our history of manifest destiny... People vote for who they identify with. That's why Bush's aw-shucks image works so well in the US - scary but true! |
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| avikonen |
I hit send before I finished... I'm not terribly worried about the Oregon teachers. Behavior like that when publicized will only produce negative sentiment for the republicans. Americans are not completely stupid, and this story stinks of strongarm tactics. There are many organizations like the ACLU that would be more than happy to sue on behalf for them. I think most Amercians are still looking for a reason to believe life under Bush would be significantly worse than life under Kerry, and right now Kerry hasn't done a good enough job demonstrating this. We'll see. There is about a month left till the election.
| quote: | Originally posted by avikonen
Guys,
Keep in mind the U.S's puritanical roots and our history of manifest destiny... People vote for who they identify with. That's why Bush's aw-shucks image works so well in the US - scary but true! |
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| DigiNut |
My instincts tell me that we're not getting the whole story here. For one thing, the article explicits and exclusively cites its source as the Democratic Party of Oregon. :rolleyes: But I suppose it is disturbing if true.
If I were a U.S. citizen I might vote Libertarian, but even if this were 100% true I still wouldn't vote for Kerry. I'd rather have a dictator with a vision than a simp who has no platform other than to bash his opponent and bend over to every single lobby group (even if one completely contradicts the other).
Still, something just doesn't seem right about this. Coming from the Dems, and knowing what the Dems' strategy has been up to this point, I'm assuming that these people were causing a lot more trouble than the article suggests.
Also, just because event officials threw them out doesn't mean that Bush or his party had anything to do with it - I mean, if a bouncer at the Guvernment kicks you out, are you going to assume that the order came from Charles himself? :rolleyes: You can't always blame the top dog for something that low-level interns (or maybe even completely unrelated third parties under contract) do.
If anyone wants to find me a nonpartisan source on this with a lot more detail, I'll think seriously about this "strongarm tactic".
P.S. And no, sorry, CBS is not a nonpartisan source, especially when their primary sources on an article are Democrats. Go ahead and read "Bias" by someone who worked there for 30 years if in doubt of that. |
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| Form&Funktion |
I agree Digi......I have a hard time believing this to be the WHOLE truth here. I HAVE to belief there are elements left out or reasons more justifiable if the events did occur as stated. That is why I offered up the article with a grain of cynicism but even if the meat of the article is correct, it is a dispicable abuse.
Even if one throws this away as Democratic stage-play, there is no denying that Bush has employed solidifying tactics such as forcing attendees to these rallys to sign allegiance oaths to his party....that in itself is plainly fallible.
Once upon a time presidential candidates sought audiences with their constituents, regardless of support.....now sadly, they seem so uncharismatic as to cloak themselves in supporter reverie at all times and....if this is article is accurate....at all costs. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Form&Funktion
Even if one throws this away as Democratic stage-play, there is no denying that Bush has employed solidifying tactics such as forcing attendees to these rallys to sign allegiance oaths to his party....that in itself is plainly fallible. |
Can you give any more information on that? (I'm not being cynical here, just genuinely curious, that's the first I've heard of this). |
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| Jayx1 |
| Almost as bad as the scare inciting politicians are the scare inciting media (and scaring people is all about power) |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Almost as bad as the scare inciting politicians are the scare inciting media (and scaring people is all about power) |
Oldest strategy in the books.
Incite fear and paranoia; keep them separated; divide and conquer... |
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| Jayx1 |
| exactly and thats what sep 11 has become all about. This is why although EVERYONE said i was crazy i still flew to europe three weeks after. If we let fear win then we lose. And although Bush likes to say this, he wants fear so he can use it to win. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
exactly and thats what sep 11 has become all about. This is why although EVERYONE said i was crazy i still flew to europe three weeks after. If we let fear win then we lose. And although Bush likes to say this, he wants fear so he can use it to win. |
I don't know if it's the fear aspect or he's simply using it as a prime example.
Whatever the reason, it's definitely an example... |
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