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Did Saddam Hussein have chem weapons after Sept. 11?
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| tecnolover |
Do you think Saddam Hussien had chemical weapons after Sept. 11?
Thoughts? Opinions? |
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| ierxium |
Why after 11th of September? What does that have to do with anything?
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| trancaholic |
It doesn't. Just play along :)
If anyone vote for the last option, they should be excluded from the PF for good.:p |
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| tecnolover |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
It doesn't. Just play along :)
If anyone vote for the last option, they should be excluded from the PF for good.:p |
That was just a way to separate two different periods of time. All of us (well not quite all apparently :eyespop: )would agree I think that Saddam had chem weapons at least at one time prior to 9/11 because the US gave him some of them. The poll is geared toward finding out what people think he did with them and when. |
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| Renegade |
Um, why should this be subject to individual opinion? Why not read the ISG's report (available here) which states unequivically:
| quote: | | While a small number of old, abandoned chemcial munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter. |
So, no, Iraq didn't have any chemical weapons on the 11th September 2001, as they were all destroyed in (or before) 1991. In other words, every poll option bar the third one is wrong. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
So, no, Iraq didn't have any chemical weapons on the 11th September 2001, as they were all destroyed in (or before) 1991. In other words, every poll option bar the third one is wrong. |
OK excuse me ignorance here, but weren't there UN weapons inspectors till 1998 in Iraq?
What were they doing all that time, did they destory other WMD (as opposed to just chemical weapons) for all those years? Or were they never destorying anything, just strolling around enjoying the desert heat? Pre-1998 is a long time ago, but I thought I could remember that the inspectors at least found a couple caches of WMD after 91. I dunno, maybe my memory is bad. Honeslty I don't know the answer here, I'm just asking... |
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| BadBadNeil |
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Tuesday, January 28, 2003 (United Nations):
UN weapons inspector Hans Blix on Monday said Baghdad had not genuinely accepted UN resolutions demanding that it disarm, while his counterpart Mohamed El Baradei said there was no evidence so far that Iraq was reviving its nuclear programme and asked for a "few months" to complete the search.
Following are key findings in the reports by Blix and El Baradei to the UN Security Council on Iraq's compliance with disarmament resolutions.
Nuclear Weapons:
No prohibited nuclear activities were identified in inspections of buildings and facilities identified through satellite photos as having been constructed or modified since inspectors left in 1998.
Aluminum tubes Iraq attempted to buy would not be suitable for nuclear centrifuges, and apparently were intended to reverse engineer conventional rockets, but the issue is still being investigated.
Nuclear inspectors continue to investigate reports that Iraq tried to import uranium after 1991 and would appreciate receiving more information.
Chemical Weapons:
Inspectors have information indicating that, contrary to Iraq's claims, its experts worked on the problem of purifying and stabilizing the deadly nerve agent VX.
Inspectors reported indications that VX was weaponized, again contrary to Iraqi claims.
Inspectors have questions about chemicals used to produce VX that Iraq says were lost during the 1991 Gulf War bombing or unilaterally destroyed by Iraq.
An Iraqi document reveals the country dropped 13,000 chemical bombs between 1983 and 1988, but its declaration says it dropped 19,500 bombs, leaving 6,500 bombs containing about 1,000 tons of chemical agent unaccounted for.
A number of warheads for 122-mm chemical rockets were recently discovered in a relatively new bunker, which means they must have been moved in the past few years when Iraq should not have had such munitions. The discovery of these rockets which "could also be the tip of a submerged iceberg".
Inspectors discovered a laboratory quantity of thiodiglycol, a precursor of mustard gas.
Inspectors are evaluating chemical processing equipment, destroyed by previous UN inspectors but repaired by Iraq to produce chlorine and phenols, and will decide whether it should be destroyed.
Biological Weapons:
There is strong evidence that Iraq produced more than the 8,500 liters of anthrax that it said it produced and destroyed after the Gulf War ended in 1991.
Iraq did not declare 650 kilograms of growth media that it previously reported and that can be used to produce biological and chemical weapons.
Missiles:
Significant questions remain about whether Iraq kept SCUD-type missiles after the Gulf War.
Iraq has developed a liquid-fueled missile, the Al Samoud 2, and a solid propellant missile, the Al Fatah, both of which exceed the permitted range of 94 miles and may violate a UN ban.
Iraq has refurbished its missile production infrastructure, including a number of previously destroyed casting chambers that could produce motors for missiles with ranges significantly greater than 94 miles.
Iraq has imported a number of missile-related items in recent years, in violation of UN sanctions, including 380 rocket engines for the Al Samoud 2.
Iraq declared that it recently imported chemicals used in propellants, test instruments and guidance and control system which inspectors say were illegally brought into the country and may be used for illegal purposes.
Other findings:
Iraq provided "a good deal of new material and information" on missiles and biotechnology from 1998 onward, which inspectors welcomed. (AP)
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| tecnolover |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
Um, why should this be subject to individual opinion? Why not read the ISG's report (available here) which states unequivically:
So, no, Iraq didn't have any chemical weapons on the 11th September 2001, as they were all destroyed in (or before) 1991. In other words, every poll option bar the third one is wrong. |
Well maybe not everyone believes everything the CIA diseminates.
I'm not necessarily saying I don't. I believe Saddam did destroy the majority of his weaponized chemicals and the stored ones in 1991. He burned them in the oil fires which were set which spread toxic smoke and killed untold numbers of american soldiers. So the reports is correct, only they haven't told the rest of that story. hmmmm.... |
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| St_Andrew |
| Which two people voted for "Saddam never at any time had chem weapons." :conf: |
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| ierxium |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Which two people voted for "Saddam never at any time had chem weapons." :conf: |
I voted twice to make my point. :D |
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| Renegade |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
OK excuse me ignorance here, but weren't there UN weapons inspectors till 1998 in Iraq?
What were they doing all that time, did they destory other WMD (as opposed to just chemical weapons) for all those years? Or were they never destorying anything, just strolling around enjoying the desert heat? Pre-1998 is a long time ago, but I thought I could remember that the inspectors at least found a couple caches of WMD after 91. I dunno, maybe my memory is bad. Honeslty I don't know the answer here, I'm just asking... |
Here's a good chronology of events:
http://www.un.org/Depts/unscom/Chro...nologyframe.htm
Note that chemical weapons were not an issue after 1992 (Iraq claiming then, as the ISG have now confirmed, that it had destroyed all chemcial weapons stocks and programs the year before) and beyond that the issues were with biological weapons, biological weapons programs and long-range missiles. Once again though, according to the ISG, most illegal BW and missile stocks were destroyed in 1991, meaning that the role of UNSCOM through until 1998 would have been primarily to monitor and prevent the possible resumption of these programs rather than overseeing the destruction of pre-existing weapons stocks (which we now know didn't exist much after 1991).
Like I said though, read the above address for a comprehensive chronology of what UNSCOM did (or didn't) get up to during the 7 years they were there.
| quote: | Originally posted by tecnolover
Well maybe not everyone believes everything the CIA diseminates. |
Right, unless they're telling you exactly what you want to hear?
| quote: | | I'm not necessarily saying I don't. I believe Saddam did destroy the majority of his weaponized chemicals and the stored ones in 1991. He burned them in the oil fires which were set which spread toxic smoke and killed untold numbers of american soldiers. So the reports is correct, only they haven't told the rest of that story. hmmmm.... |
wtf? Source please. |
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| Yoepus |
Thanks for the source, looks like a good one for a general overview.
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Note that chemical weapons were not an issue after 1992 (Iraq claiming then, as the ISG have now confirmed, that it had destroyed all chemcial weapons stocks and programs the year before) and beyond that the issues were with biological weapons, biological weapons programs and long-range missiles. |
Looks like your wrong; from your link:
"Oct 1997 UNSCOM completes the destruction of additional, large quantities of chemical weapons related equipment and precursors chemicals. Iraq had previously denied that part of the equipment had been used for CW production. Only in May 1997, on the basis of UNSCOM's investigations, did Iraq admit that some of the equipment had indeed been used in the production of VX."
Looks like my memory an't to shabby.
Guess this shed some suspicoun for those who said he never had...:p |
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