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Classical music, let's try again shall we (pg. 2)
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| töbias |
Aren't classical music lovers just the biggest music snobs on the earth?
And they say babies that listen to classical music during the period they are babies while be more intelligent than babies that listen to other music.... |
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| jeromy d |
look out for COSMIC BABY.....he has 20 years of classical training under his belt.....you can hear the depth of the melody in his work...
he's one of the dudes who invented trance back in the very early 1990's.....and he co wrote "Café Del Mar"... |
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| TOR |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Cinos
Let me ask you this, then: Do you think Mozart would surpass for example Shpongle in terms of complexity if he had computers? (and lived to use them?) |
if you had a daughter, would she be a vegetarian?
this is a pointless discussion, there is no way you can compare the two worlds. |
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| Nell |
i dont think many current trance producers are as talented at writing tracks as the likes of classical artists.
...amd 1990's edm productions are far more in depth than the post 2000 material. They dont have the 1000db kickdrum and deep booming basslines that the post 2000 tracks have but the complexity is genereally on a far greater level, longer diverse melodies etc.
so no, not on the whole. closest we've got imo is mirco de govia. just my opinion though. |
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| chrisxanthus |
Is this a discussion on classical or psy? If someone's a true musical genius far beyond anyone else at the time I think it would be truely and completely obvious to Everyone.
I wouldn't buy a shpongle or simon posford cd if you paid me. If you gave me one, I'd throw it away. |
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| colonelcrisp |
| here is the ultimate mind ****** tho, is there a producer today who posesses the mental capacity to compose great music who is deaf. beethoven was completely deaf yet he could compose immaculate symphonies. he even cut the legs off his piano so he could feel the vibrations of the notes through the floor. that is pure talent right there. |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by töbias
Aren't classical music lovers just the biggest music snobs on the earth? |
I hear the GU forums are pretty bad. :p |
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| Excite |
you can't really compare today's artists with those from the distant past..they were in a totally different environment and time period.
i thin a better question is "if Beethoven or Mozart were born today would they be producing electronic music?" |
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| trak_one |
Let me just add this:
Mozart and the others didn't achieve their genius status until after they died. Therefore we're probably going to have to wait until the next generation comes around and takes an objective look on what kind of music we produced. |
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| tabthe3 |
Composers of classical music are typically recognized for one of a couple of traits:
1) innovating the concept of what music is, how it is produced, or the status quo. Example, Stravinsky and Bartok advancing atonal music. Beethoven writing an opera not in Italian.
2) The size of a composers' work. Some had very few works (Schubert b/c he died at 28 of syphilis). Bach has thousands and thousands of pieces.
3) Unique uses of melody, harmony, or rhythm. You can recognize Bach from standard uses of harpsichord trills.
4) Epitomizing an era of music. Wagner had many very waxing and waning pieces which typified the post-romantic era. Handel was very Baroque.
So who today would be recognized in the same way?
Some of the first electronic peices. Even people in the 80s who first started to use synths. I do not know enough history to give producer names.
Some of the first producers of Drum and Bass would probably be recognized.
And I don't know enough about producers to give names, but anyone who could typify what I said above (minus the syphilis part).
The composers who are recognized now are not the people who were popular when they were alive. It will take a historian to analyze when trends started and who pioneered them to determine who was a great innovator of music today. |
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| beats and beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Cinos
Let me ask you this, then: Do you think Mozart would surpass for example Shpongle in terms of complexity if he had computers? (and lived to use them?) |
I love shpongle, but i am certain he would produce better psy trance than them if he had the chance to/wanted to.
If you listen to shpongle, its great, but it is nothing NEAR perfect. In some of their songs the theory just isnt right. Also (and this is just personal opinion) They have a bad habit of dropping ty samples in their tracks. You know...stuff about drugs, or space, or trolls climbing up walls or something. Or some nerdy sounding guy speaking a bunch of gibberish like "GLOSHIGNAIGAHAHGIOA" I mean some people might like this, but for me it ruins it.
You have to understand that what they do is somewhat, simple with the tools they have today. They can drop a beautiful guitar riff like in dorset "perception", but they dont have to have complete understanding of guitar. Classical composers did. They knew nearly every aspect of the music at the time.
oh yeah and they didnt have lsd to help out with the whole creativity thing:p |
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| Kaveh |
To compare Mozart with Shpongle is just ridiculous. Sure, Shpongle have many great tunes but still mustn't be compared to someone like Mozart.
Plus, I guess you know that Shpongle uses LOTS of samples in their tunes? That means they haven't written the music themselves. Lots of the ethnic sounds are just sampled.
So do NOT compare them with Mozart ;) |
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