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| smokeape |
Put this in the Political Forum if you can't take it here.
| quote: | Forces Find 'Slaughterhouses' in Fallujah
38 minutes ago Middle East - AP
By EDWARD HARRIS, Associated Press Writer
FALLUJAH, Iraq - U.S. troops, on the verge of gaining control of the city, fought pockets of resistance in this former militant stronghold Wednesday and uncovered what the Iraqi commander said were "hostage slaughterhouses" in which foreign captives had been killed.
Insurgents sought to open a second front, mounting attacks outside Fallujah. They also kidnapped three relatives of Prime Minister Ayad Allawi and reportedly threatened further revenge against the leader. Militants also claimed to have abducted 20 Iraqi National Guard troops in Fallujah.
Throughout the day, Americans hit the militants with artillery and mortars, and warplanes fired on the city's main street and market as well as Jolan, one of several neighborhoods where troops were skirmishing with militants.
In what could be a sign of progress, the Marines began turning over Jolan to Iraqi forces, signaling that Marines consider the area relatively secure. Jolan was considered one of the strongest positions held by militants inside Fallujah.
Even so, an Associated Press reporter embedded with them witnessed continued clashes in Jolan and smoke billowing from the heart of the neighborhood late Wednesday. Fireballs and tracer fire lit up the night sky over Fallujah and the sounds of artillery echoed in the streets.
In one of the most dramatic clashes of the day, snipers fired on U.S. and Iraqi troops from the minarets of the Khulafah Al Rashid mosque, the military said. Marines said the insurgents waved a white flag at one stage but then opened fire, BBC's embedded correspondent Paul Wood reported. The troops called in four precision airstrikes that destroyed the minarets but left the mosque standing.
Pool footage showed U.S. forces battling insurgents in a neighborhood surrounding the mosque. Troops were pinned down by gunfire on a rooftop, forced to hit the deck and lay on their stomachs.
"We're taking fire from the mosque," one of the Americans said. Forces returned fire, blasting the mosque — a large domed building flanked by two minarets — and sending up clouds of debris.
"When they're using a mosque to do command and control for insurgents and kill my fellow Marines and soldiers and airmen that are out here — no holds barred, the gloves are off," said Marine Staff Sgt. Sam Mortimer.
Tank gunners also opened fire on insurgents in a nearby five-story apartment building, and flames shot from several windows.
The top U.S. commander in Iraq (news - web sites), Gen. George Casey, told President Bush (news - web sites) on Wednesday that his troops were "making very good progress" securing Iraq.
"He said that things are going well in Fallujah," Bush said, adding that his Iraq commanders had not asked for more troops. The U.S. military has sent up to 15,000 U.S. and Iraqi troops into the battle, backed by tanks, artillery and attack aircraft.
Lt. Gen. John F. Sattler, the commanding general of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, said insurgents had been reduced to "small pockets, blind, moving throughout the city. And we will continue to hunt them down and destroy them."
"When they attempted to flee from one zone to another they were killed," Sattler said. "We feel very comfortable that none of them moved back toward the north or escaped on the flanks."
In Fallujah, at least 71 militants have been killed by early Wednesday, the third day of intense urban combat, the military said. As of Tuesday night, 10 U.S. troops and two members of the Iraqi security forces had been killed. Marine reports Wednesday said 25 American troops and 16 Iraqi soldiers were wounded. There was no new report Wednesday on U.S. military deaths.
Al-Jazeera television reported 32 people were killed and about 50 injured in politically motivated violence Wednesday throughout Iraq, but it was unclear if the figures included deaths and injuries in Fallujah.
Fallujah, 40 miles west of Baghdad, is the centerpiece of the Sunni Muslim insurgency that has stymied U.S. efforts to secure Iraq and prepare for national elections that are scheduled for January.
The latest kidnappings were part of a surge of attacks outside the city — an attempt by militants to divert U.S.-Iraqi forces.
The violence killed at least 28 people across the country Wednesday — including 10 who died when a car bomb targeted a police patrol in the capital after sunset. U.S. troops clashed with insurgents in Baghdad and the cities of Ramadi, Mosul and Latifiyah.
"As we put the clamp on Fallujah, we expect stepped-up attacks elsewhere in the country," said Capt. P.J. Batty, of the 3rd Battalion 5th Marine Regiment.
"But then we can stop their command and control," said the 33-year captain from Park City, Utah. "Once we see where their fires are coming from, no problem, we just call in air support or artillery."
One Marine officer estimated U.S. and Iraqi forces controlled about 70 percent of the city, but the commander of the Iraqi force said he believed the figure was closer to 50 percent.
U.S. troops were also skirmishing with insurgents late Wednesday in the Wihdah and Muhandiseen neighborhoods, according to Iraqi journalist Abdul Qader Saadi, who said he saw some damaged and burnt armored vehicles and tanks.
Saadi and other witnesses reported bodies on the streets, with dogs hovering around them. Residents said they were running out of food in a city that had its electricity cut two days ago.
Some wounded Iraqis bled to death, and a family was buried under the ruins of their house after it was bombed by a U.S. jet, Saadi said.
Most of Fallujah's 200,000 to 300,000 residents are believed to have fled the city before the U.S. assault. Civilian casualties in the attack are not known, though U.S. commanders say they believe the numbers are low.
Fighters charged from the southern parts of the city to back up other insurgents heading to the Jumhuriya district, where there were fierce clashes, he said. Wihdah, Jumhuriya and Muhandiseen are on the north side of the road that bisects the city.
The U.S. military and the interim Iraqi government are eager to put an Iraqi face on the Fallujah offensive.
Iraqi forces joined U.S. troops in seizing Fallujah's city hall compound before dawn after a gunbattle with insurgents who hit U.S. tanks with anti-armor rockets. Iraqi soldiers swept into a police station in the compound and raised an Iraqi flag above it.
The Iraqi commander, Maj. Gen. Abdul Qader Mohammed Jassem Mohan, announced the seizure of the abandoned houses in northern Fallujah that he said contained hostages' documents, CDs showing captives being killed, and black clothing worn by militants in videos.
It appeared troops did not find any of the at least nine foreigners still in kidnappers' hands — including two Americans. "We have found hostage slaughterhouses in Fallujah that were used by these people," he said.
But in a reminder of the relative inexperience of the Iraqi contingent, Al-Jazeera television broadcast a videotape Wednesday with a militant group claiming to have captured 20 Iraqi soldiers. Men wearing Iraqi uniforms were shown with their backs to the camera.
Gunmen also kidnapped three of Allawi's relatives from their Baghdad home — his cousin, Ghazi Allawi, the cousin's wife and their daughter-in-law, Allawi's spokesman said. A militant group calling itself Ansar al-Jihad threatened to behead them in 48 hours unless the Fallujah siege is lifted. The claim's authenticity could not be verified.
Early Thursday, a videotape posted on an Islamist Web site purportedly by Fallujah militants vowed to take revenge on Allawi and Defense Minister Hazem Shaalan al-Khuzaei, saying both had displayed "meanness toward those who are defending their home."
The U.S. advance in Fallujah was more rapid than an offensive in April, when insurgents fought a force of fewer than 2,000 Marines to a standstill in a three-week siege. It ended with the Americans handing over the city to a local force, which lost control to Islamic militants.
Mohan, a Sunni who served under Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) and later became close to Allawi, believed the job of running the city should have been given to regulars in the new national army. |
Back in May we had the f*cking city surrounded, then backed off and turned it over to the Iraqis to control. What a big f*cking mistake. Won't happen this time. All the bad guys in the cordon are going to meet Allah or the allied forces real quick soon.
And all this on Veterans Day. Remember the fallen troops sacrificing their lives for God, Country, and Mission - a Free Iraq...
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
Put this in the Political Forum if you can't take it here. |
As you wish. Moved.:D |
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| tribu |
| Agree we ed up by not crushing the Fallujah rebellion before. However, of the speculated 3000 terrorists who were there, Im betting that 30-40% of them escape to fight another day. |
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| Matt |
I can't decide what's more cowardly...
a hostage slaughterhouse, or bombing civilians from airplanes thousands of metres in the air? |
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| ierxium |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
Saadi and other witnesses reported bodies on the streets, with dogs hovering around them. Residents said they were running out of food in a city that had its electricity cut two days ago. |
Nice. This is humanity. This is what is happening. |
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| getfoul |
| you scare me with your thinking about life. Seek help immediatly. |
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| Mebot |
this is what gets me more than anything else...
| quote: | | Marines said the insurgents waved a white flag at one stage but then opened fire, BBC's embedded correspondent Paul Wood reported. |
I mean its just guerilla warfare and it's any which way you can.. but still... its ed up.
Speaking of which
has anyone seen The Battle of Algiers? |
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| hardcore trancer |
ya good job Bush
Now you'll have to fight a few million pissed of shi'a muslims.Since you bombed the out of their city.
GO IRAQI'S GO !!! |
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| A.J. |
"Violence begets violence".
I know it's an old cliche, but it is so true.
When will people finally learn the lessons that history has provided us? |
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| Falcon-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
ya good job Bush
Now you'll have to fight a few million pissed of shi'a muslims.Since you bombed the out of their city.
GO IRAQI'S GO !!! |
it,s not the shi'as now it,s the sunnis |
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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mebot
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Speaking of which
has anyone seen The Battle of Algiers? |
parts of, but perhaps the whole thing in parts.
you mustve seen City of God as well - both represent what happens when power hungry forces go against each other. and it isnt good| |
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| Mebot |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
parts of, but perhaps the whole thing in parts.
you mustve seen City of God as well - both represent what happens when power hungry forces go against each other. and it isnt good| |
actually i havent seen City of God yet, i mean to..
Battle of Algiers just shows the guerilla tactics and force the Algerian people used against the French army in the late 50s and early 60s. this film was actually viewed by top brass before the invvasion of Iraq.. or so I was told.
i couldn't find any reason why they watched it, but i'm pretty sure the reason is in the movie itself.. |
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