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| quote: | Originally posted by djash
You, dude, off a moon fell or you do not know history absolutely? Ukrainians and Russians yet from a 5 century were one slavonic nation. Then the state was organized called Kievskaya Russ’. Nearer to our times territory of nowaday Ukraine belonged to Rech Pospolyta, to the Avstro-Hungurian Empire, to Russia or yet to someone. At the beginning of a 20 century Ukraine passed to Russia and the communist mode was restored. In the Second World War-time the Ukrainian nationalists wanted to go out from composition of USSR and passed to the side of the German Nazis. Detachment “SS Galychyna” was created which fighted on Nazis side. Then Germans began to militate against nationalists, and the last appeared between two armies: soviet and fascist. And while France signed capitulation before Germany, the Russian troops offered most cruel resistance to the fascists. After a couple of years they freed Ukraine, Poland, Czech, Hungary and other countries from the fascist mode.
You can ask: «what difference to Ukraine under whose power is: by a fascist or soviet»? Germans burned people in stoves, and other worked in concentration camps as slaves, and in a soviet union all people were equal, there were neither the poor nor rich.
The state gave work to all citizens of USSR on a profession, who worked, got a good money and lived on them perfectly, those, whoever wanted to work, put into prison, because society does not need parasites. . TV signal from abroad was blocked and people did not see a different erotica, pornography, prostitution and violence, and society had a high moral, people were friendly, good. That you saw in the American films about USSR is complete delirium of mad. Whoever lived here, doesn’t know on how such it was a good place. People loved and respected the country, and country valued the citizens.
Volte-faces on worst began after disintegration of USSR: the level of poverty grew to the highest level, and a moral fell down to the zero. There is nothing unusual if you will see in the street of a 8 years young child with a cigarette in teeth.
People voted for Yuschenko, which continuing traditions of nationalists of times of the Second World War (this you can see to the red-black flags – it’s a flag of «SS Galychyna»), and «patriots» which being abroad. I don’t understand, why they do not live in the favourite country, but hold meeting in other countries. Vitaly Klychko, resident in Germany, sold out at least 2 fights of book-maker for a year, arrived to support Yuschenko. A quite good company was going. People from east Ukraine, which work in mines and at the plant of heavy metallurgy, voted for Yanukovych, their voice is far more ponderable than western idlers. The Yanukovych’s Regions bring 80% of internal gross product! By the way, all factories on Ukraine were built by Russians, and all western architecture is Polish and Austrian. On itself Ukrainians would live in straw cottages, would dig vegetable garden and drink moonshine.
I live in Lvov (western Ukraine) where for Yanukovycha voted 6,63%, and I among them! Speaking about violations, I will notice that in my university the pictures of Yuschenko hung near dean's office, although by regulation of higher educational establishments of Ukraine it is forbidden to conduct political agitation.
I hate this country, ukrainian language (speak only russian) and want to leave from here yet from 1991 year, when Ukraine became independent. In spring I get a diploma, and me will not be here, but wish, that a country rather fell to pieces and was divided between Russia, Poland and yet anybody. East Ukraine with Crimea without western and central will live far better, and the last will fester very soon.
All Lvov’s region administration was yesterday dispersed because they supported Yanukovych! My friend’s father was the head of the Lvov region only yesterday, and today he nobody!!
To be Ukrainian is large disgrace, abroad all know Ukrainians as thieves and alcoholics, and does not want to take them on work!
Well, that I complete opposition to the stereotype of Ukrainian! |
You seem to be born in a wrong country. If you want comunist heaven go to North Korea, cause saying that soviets were better than the nazis is just outrageous. Haven't you heard about gulags ? And besides, you are too young to remember real comunist times. |
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| Cal |
| quote: | Originally posted by djash
You, dude, off a moon fell or you do not know history absolutely? Ukrainians and Russians yet from a 5 century were one slavonic nation. Then the state was organized called Kievskaya Russ’. Nearer to our times territory of nowaday Ukraine belonged to Rech Pospolyta, to the Avstro-Hungurian Empire, to Russia or yet to someone. At the beginning of a 20 century Ukraine passed to Russia and the communist mode was restored. In the Second World War-time the Ukrainian nationalists wanted to go out from composition of USSR and passed to the side of the German Nazis. Detachment “SS Galychyna” was created which fighted on Nazis side. Then Germans began to militate against nationalists, and the last appeared between two armies: soviet and fascist. And while France signed capitulation before Germany, the Russian troops offered most cruel resistance to the fascists. After a couple of years they freed Ukraine, Poland, Czech, Hungary and other countries from the fascist mode.
You can ask: «what difference to Ukraine under whose power is: by a fascist or soviet»? Germans burned people in stoves, and other worked in concentration camps as slaves, and in a soviet union all people were equal, there were neither the poor nor rich.
The state gave work to all citizens of USSR on a profession, who worked, got a good money and lived on them perfectly, those, whoever wanted to work, put into prison, because society does not need parasites. . TV signal from abroad was blocked and people did not see a different erotica, pornography, prostitution and violence, and society had a high moral, people were friendly, good. That you saw in the American films about USSR is complete delirium of mad. Whoever lived here, doesn’t know on how such it was a good place. People loved and respected the country, and country valued the citizens.
Volte-faces on worst began after disintegration of USSR: the level of poverty grew to the highest level, and a moral fell down to the zero. There is nothing unusual if you will see in the street of a 8 years young child with a cigarette in teeth.
People voted for Yuschenko, which continuing traditions of nationalists of times of the Second World War (this you can see to the red-black flags – it’s a flag of «SS Galychyna»), and «patriots» which being abroad. I don’t understand, why they do not live in the favourite country, but hold meeting in other countries. Vitaly Klychko, resident in Germany, sold out at least 2 fights of book-maker for a year, arrived to support Yuschenko. A quite good company was going. People from east Ukraine, which work in mines and at the plant of heavy metallurgy, voted for Yanukovych, their voice is far more ponderable than western idlers. The Yanukovych’s Regions bring 80% of internal gross product! By the way, all factories on Ukraine were built by Russians, and all western architecture is Polish and Austrian. On itself Ukrainians would live in straw cottages, would dig vegetable garden and drink moonshine.
I live in Lvov (western Ukraine) where for Yanukovycha voted 6,63%, and I among them! Speaking about violations, I will notice that in my university the pictures of Yuschenko hung near dean's office, although by regulation of higher educational establishments of Ukraine it is forbidden to conduct political agitation.
I hate this country, ukrainian language (speak only russian) and want to leave from here yet from 1991 year, when Ukraine became independent. In spring I get a diploma, and me will not be here, but wish, that a country rather fell to pieces and was divided between Russia, Poland and yet anybody. East Ukraine with Crimea without western and central will live far better, and the last will fester very soon.
All Lvov’s region administration was yesterday dispersed because they supported Yanukovych! My friend’s father was the head of the Lvov region only yesterday, and today he nobody!!
To be Ukrainian is large disgrace, abroad all know Ukrainians as thieves and alcoholics, and does not want to take them on work!
Well, that I complete opposition to the stereotype of Ukrainian! |
Youre a ing retard.
http://www.ukemonde.com/genocide/emargolis.htm |
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| Cal |
Anyway, ive just been to Ukraine this summer and all the corruption there sickens me. And now it looks like an ex-con, a RAPE ex-con no less(yeah yeah he was pardoned i know, but the details are really shady at that) might be president and Putin lackey.
Im sick of this. My country deserves better. |
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| St_Andrew |
so now the parliament voted the election to be invalid, and Mr Yanukovych said the voteing in the parliament was illegal :rolleyes:
so now it is apperntly up to the supreame court... |
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| Dervish |
| Love how people on here can just quote a website to oppose the view of someone who actually lives there......... even if you are origonally from there. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Love how people on here can just quote a website to oppose the view of someone who actually lives there......... even if you are origonally from there. |
dude, the internet is never wrong! |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
dude, the internet is never wrong! |
St_Andrew loves the cock. Look its on the internet LINKY
:p j/k man couldn't help myself :toothless |
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| Cal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Love how people on here can just quote a website to oppose the view of someone who actually lives there......... even if you are origonally from there. |
Gee so if I don't live in a country (anymore) my knowledge of its history is somehow LESS than that of a person who DOES live there?
Go shag a sheep. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by djash
You, dude,...Detachment “SS Galychyna” was created which fighted on Nazis side. |
I started to see stars right there.
| quote: | | Then Germans began to[bb militate[/b] against nationalists, and the last appeared between two armies: soviet and fascist. |
Bam. Knockout blow. WTF is going on?
| quote: | | And while France signed capitulation before Germany... |
And as many times as I trid to make sense of the rest of that, I truly could not. Assuming you really are from the Ukraine, I can only assume you have a better idea of what's going on that I do, but I still can't understand what the hell you were just trying to say.:conf: |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cal
Gee so if I don't live in a country (anymore) my knowledge of its history is somehow LESS than that of a person who DOES live there?
Go shag a sheep. |
Well flipantly dismissing a person as a "retard" and then telling me to "go shag a sheep" doesn't show much of a debating style or inteligence. |
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| Cal |
I'm from Ukraine, been living in Canada for 10 years, while having spent 2 months of this, and last, summers there.
The guy's (or girl's) english is as if he translated form russian word by work including idioms and all that. I can actually follow along in russian in my mind and find all the russian expressions that he translated.
| quote: | | Then Germans began to[bb militate[/b] against nationalists, and the last appeared between two armies: soviet and fascist. |
Like in this line right here hes talking about how Ukrainian nationalists (who wanted to separate from USSR, as well as not be a part of Nazi Germany) were caught in the crossfire between Hitler and Stalin. The line makes a lot of sense in russian. |
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| Cal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Well flipantly dismissing a person as a "retard" and then telling me to "go shag a sheep" doesn't show much of a debating style or inteligence. |
Well humour is a sign of intelligence, and since you've got the scottish flag right there the sheep remark is spot on isn't it?
As for my link, had you bothered to read it, would have told you about the atrocities that Stalin has committed against the Ukrainian people, which is in direct contrast to djash's praise of USSR's regime.
Didn't know I had to spell this out for people. |
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