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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
The horror continues - I find myself agreeing with him in this thread as well. I did manage to find one point of disagreement though: :) |
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In Europe public transport works excellent in the country side too. No matter where you want to go and where you come from, you can find buses that take you there. In Europe large parts of the old population are quite active and therefore use and need buses. Maybe that's a reason why there's a difference. |
In the USA rural "villages" are now more and more simply gathering points of commerce where the farmers actually live miles away on their big ranches, when they need someting they drive in town. In Europe the rural/farmers live in the village, and go to work on the ranch or elsewhere (I'm obviously vastly generalizing, but my point here is that even European rural villages are more dense than their American counterparts).
The idea behind this was again looking at how USA cities are constructed. I have no doubt that European public transport works in the country-side too, I've road it and I agree. But even the country-side is dense. Let me explain:
If you've ever seen Suburbia USA you realize you have to have a car to get around. I can concieve of no economically viable public transport to work in Suberbia. There are simply too much houses (each on a very nice size of land) with too much distance between them, and not enough people who would ride a bus (old. Recall the young have their own 'public transport' system to take them to school and back).
| quote: | | But density is not a prerequisite for public transport to be a good idea. |
I never said anything about good idea, I simply said it was a prerequisite for public transport to be accepted and used.
If I have big streets, vast distances to travel, shady alternatives, plenitful parking, and comfortable roads, I'm going to use my car, and look down at anyone who is stupid/poor enough to do otherwise.
Where as if you have narrow streets that are stressful to drive, and colged with traffic so no one can move for an hour, no where to park (or it cost an arm and a leg to park) and you have a quick, cheap, and easy alternative, called public transport. Then I'm going to use public transport and look down at anyone who is stupid/selfish enough to do otherwise.
| quote: | | On the main topic: Why drinking under the age of 21 is not allowed in the US - but driving is. Couldn't the reason by religious |
Not that I know of. The reason is historical. It was primarly formed because of the farms again. Where they needed son to go drive and pick up something in town, etc, to help out around the farm and biz.
You can even get exemptions to drive at 14 years of age if your family runs a business/farm and claim they need you to be able to drive to help with the business/farm. ... at least in Texas anyway. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Actually exactly when you were writing that(4.30am here, 9am lectures today too :tongue2) I just got back from an ace night out (for the pic of STFU folks I could post emm if you like lol) with some french guys and girls (École students too) and they can hold their own in the drinking stakes(comming from a scotsman btw!) :toothless |
Shut-up you don't know anything! Your drunk!:eyes:
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No but seriously what a small world that just the French students I make fun of you have to go party with and prove me wrong.... :nervous: :(
Anyhoo my point was: You don't see any (I'll be cautious and say many now) keg parties in Europe. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
I'm really not sure what to do in order to change the American culture to one in which alcohol is not abused by the young. It seems so ingrained in our culture to get trashed and party, that I'm not sure what would change it. I do agree that parents have a big role in this, as many parents give horrible examples in the responsible use of alcohol with their actions and stories from "when they were young." I honestly think this country would do much better with leaglizing pot then lowering the drinking age because of the mystique and fear that surrounds pot but is absent when talking about alcohol. Even tobacco is more respected for what can happen when abused and its responsible use than alcohol is in this country. |
I don't think that american culture is so much different on these matters than european one. Perhaps the only difference is that people start consuming alcohol at later ages which makes them less capable of controlling the consumption than people of equal age in Europe. Here it's totally normal for 16 year old kids to get wasted with alcohol, but you kinda grow out of it when you're 20. In america you start with 20, age where you already have some responsibility to the society and where you should be kinda finishing with that stuff. So in Europe, the general view of getting wasted is something that kids do, while adults usually drink something like a glass or two of wine. In america, on the other hand, getting wasted is a sort of an adult thing to do. It's like those guys who get married at 18 and then start screwing around at 50. When you're restricted early in life, you make up for it later on. |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Shut-up you don't know anything! Your drunk!:eyes:
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No but seriously what a small world that just the French students I make fun of you have to go party with and prove me wrong.... :nervous: :(
Anyhoo my point was: You don't see any (I'll be cautious and say many now) keg parties in Europe. |
Remeber the Uk is in europe and we are probebly one of the worst nations for getting wreaked. Under age (-18) drinking starts early here say 12, one of mates had to have his guts pumped from drinking too much whisky at 13 or 14.
Anyway the proof (though actually we don't look to drunk in these, wish I could link the movie I took on the bus on the way home you'd see then hehehe.)
Thats a french guy and a spanish guy sandwiching a scottish(i think) girl. :happy2: And the french guy has another french guy behind him..... :nervous:.... :crazy:
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| Flotser |
| i think that porn age limit is bad thing |
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| jonSun |
| The age here in Chicago is 21 to drink & 16 to drive. I think thats fine. I used to want the drinking age lowered to 18 but that was before I was 21 haha. My view then was that if your old enough to die for your country you should be old enough to drink. Well as ive aged ive realized i havent met too many people under 21 that were responsible enough to drink. I know I wasnt. |
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| Superstar |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
in the US you have to be 21 to drink alchol (and it is actually enforced unlike most eurpean countries where its not), but 18 to kill people in Iraq. In canada you responsible enought to vote at 18, but must be 19 to buy a lighter.... |
Actually smoking laws are different province to province. I think they are the same as liquor laws and in most provinces the age limit is 18 years old. The reason that I personally think this was done was because Ontario used to have an extra year of high school called OAC, which was basically grade 13. So by the time most students got into first year of university they were 19 years old and I think the law came from that. In all the other provinces, and Ontario now too, there are 12 grades, so most people get into university at age 18.
| quote: | obviously people in those countries with lower age limits drink more, but they drink "better" imo, they kinda know how to handle it, while in for example canada they suck at handeling alcohol.
so whats your thoughts on age limits? good/bad? lower/higher? |
Hey! what do you mean we can't handle our alcohol... we handle it just fine... and then throw it up a few hours later! :p
I'd like to see the drinking age lowered to 16 and let bars/restaurants serve till 3am... that extra hour really does help :). Just go out and party in Montreal and you'll see! |
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| St_Andrew |
Nice party pics Dervish :D:D
| quote: | Originally posted by Superstar
Actually smoking laws are different province to province. I think they are the same as liquor laws and in most provinces the age limit is 18 years old. The reason that I personally think this was done was because Ontario used to have an extra year of high school called OAC, which was basically grade 13. So by the time most students got into first year of university they were 19 years old and I think the law came from that. In all the other provinces, and Ontario now too, there are 12 grades, so most people get into university at age 18. |
well, they better change it back before march 31st then :haha:
| quote: | | Hey! what do you mean we can't handle our alcohol... we handle it just fine... and then throw it up a few hours later! :p |
hehehehe, i tried that here too :p havent been really drunk since lol...
| quote: | | I'd like to see the drinking age lowered to 16 and let bars/restaurants serve till 3am... that extra hour really does help :). Just go out and party in Montreal and you'll see! |
yeah, they should! its 2 am in sweden too (except in stockholm where its 5 on many places).... |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Remeber the Uk is in europe and we are probebly one of the worst nations for getting wreaked. Under age (-18) drinking starts early here say 12, one of mates had to have his guts pumped from drinking too much whisky at 13 or 14.
Anyway the proof (though actually we don't look to drunk in these, wish I could link the movie I took on the bus on the way home you'd see then hehehe.)
Thats a french guy and a spanish guy sandwiching a scottish(i think) girl. :happy2: And the french guy has another french guy behind him..... :nervous:.... :crazy:
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Wow. What a group of fools! If you're not drunk in those pictures, you are clearly lacking a few gaggles of brain cells from something else. Methamphetamines perhaps? |
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| Dervish |
Lol yeah maybe a bit drunk.... hehehe in the last one I look wreaked for some reason.
I supose like alot of people have said it's really a cultural thing. If your brought up in enviroment where "getting wreaked" (not knocking it I say that alot) can be the aim of the night, you'll do it.
But I'd say that there isn't a difference between either side of the pond really. Everyone yound loves a good time. Only difference is possibly the prevalance of underage drinking(litrally everyone does it here). Personally I think 18 is a good age, 21 is just taking the piss, your old enough to get married, die for your country and vote but not buy yourelf a drink. I mean you could get married at 16 then not be able to buy yourself a three year anniversary bottle of champagne. Weird. |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
Germany Drinking Age - 16
American Drinking Age- 21
German Driving Age - 18
American Driving Age -16
German Rural Highway Speedlimit - none
American Rural Highway Speedlimit- 70-65mph / 80-100kph
German Traffic Deaths per 1,000 - .75
American Traffic Deaths per 1,000 - .85
i dont like these statistics. i really dont see how 18 year olds are old enough to risk their lives in a war, but arent allowed to drink. |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
in the US you have to be 21 to drink alchol (and it is actually enforced unlike most eurpean countries where its not), but 18 to kill people in Iraq. In canada you responsible enought to vote at 18, but must be 19 to buy a lighter....
sweden is quite stric on this too (18 for most things), but most other european countries (except norway and perhaps some more..) have much less strict laws, for example in denmark you can be 15 and buy alcohol legally (and much lower illegally ;)).
obviously people in those countries with lower age limits drink more, but they drink "better" imo, they kinda know how to handle it, while in for example canada they suck at handeling alcohol.
so whats your thoughts on age limits? good/bad? lower/higher? |
The US won't deploy anyone under 18 overseas to a non-US territory or possesssion in the armed forces. Seas don't count. Has to deal with age old agreements about not having children fighting wars. Drinking's another story, but 18 year olds can vote as well if they don't like local liquor laws.
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