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British Party Leader Arrested for “Inciting Hate”. Free Speech Surrenders … (pg. 5)
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| trancaholic |
^^^^^ Great post. Apparently we are three European TAs supporting free speech now, Yoepus. :D
| quote: | Originally posted by donegalredneck
Free speech sould only be free when it doesn't infringe upon the way ordinary people lead their lives. |
Please define this more precisely. If you want to legislate according to your beliefs you need laws that have a clear well-understood meaning. Say, when I hear a "communist" mocking me for bothering to work 60 hours a week, when well fare allows anyone to not work for a slight reduction in living standards, I am fairly aggrevated. Would that mean that the "communist" is a viable target for prosecution? If not, then where do you draw the line? |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| Well, count me as 4th. It's not like the guy directly said that his supporters should go out and kill every muslim they see walks past them or something. He just said that islam is a vicious faith which I kinda agree with. Not that christianity or judaism are any better though. |
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| Dervish |
| I accept that we are giving up a part of our freedom of speach. But I think its ok in this case becuase I'm not liable to be telling people to hate other people based upon race. And if I did, I belive I should be punnished. I mean as far as I know there haven't been a huge number (i.e. only people like this a-hole) of people put in prision over this(fines maybe? I don't know the details). |
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| zig |
| Just let me get this straight..the 4 so called liberal europeans taking part in this discussion basically what u are saying (i think) is that its ok for this person or any persons for that matter to say basically what they want..as long as its not something like I want to kill you or harm you or threaten you..is this basically correct?? |
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| trancaholic |
| Basically, yes. |
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| Ste |
didnt that hook handed bastard incite racial hatrid towards people in the west, yet get all?
or has he finanlly been arrested/kicked out. |
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| Reverend_Trance |
| quote: | Originally posted by zig
Just let me get this straight..the 4 so called liberal europeans taking part in this discussion basically what u are saying (i think) is that its ok for this person or any persons for that matter to say basically what they want..as long as its not something like I want to kill you or harm you or threaten you..is this basically correct?? |
That is reasonable since a threat on a life or lives does cross a line in my opinion.
It is ok to say "I like Allah" but not "Let's kill the Jews and the infadels." "America is the Great Satan" compared to "Slit the throats of the American pigs!" |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ste
didnt that hook handed bastard incite racial hatrid towards people in the west, yet get all?
or has he finanlly been arrested/kicked out. |
You mean the one currently residing at Her Majesty's pleasure charged with numerous terrorism offences? |
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| occrider |
Ummm why are all the British/Irish nationals acting as if we simply "don't understand" what the BNP stands for and what they're guilty of when we support their right to free speech? I looked them up on BBC news and I personally don't see anything as sordid as the history behind the KKK and the number of violent crimes they have committed in their 100 year history. Did the BNP regularly lynch blacks and terrorize them?
Between 1865 and 1965 over 2400 African Americans were lynched in the United States. They also firebombed black churches throughout the South along with intimidating black voters with Jim Crow laws. As despicable as the KKK is, they still have a fundamental right to free speech just like anyone else in the US. Society and government should not have the ability to infringe upon the individual's inalienable right to free speech and dictate what is appropriate and what is not appropriate content. That's the fundamental instrument of any authoritarian or totalitarian government.
By the way, threating a person with violence, bodily harm or injury is not protected free speech. At that point you're infringing upon another's rights. But that's not what this guy is guilty of doing ... is it that difficult to realise that the solution to offensive speech is simply more speech? |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Ummm why are all the British/Irish nationals acting as if we simply "don't understand" what the BNP stands for and what they're guilty of when we support their right to free speech? I looked them up on BBC news and I personally don't see anything as sordid as the history behind the KKK and the number of violent crimes they have committed in their 100 year history. Did the BNP regularly lynch blacks and terrorize them?
Between 1865 and 1965 over 2400 African Americans were lynched in the United States. They also firebombed black churches throughout the South along with intimidating black voters with Jim Crow laws. As despicable as the KKK is, they still have a fundamental right to free speech just like anyone else in the US. Society and government should not have the ability to infringe upon the individual's inalienable right to free speech and dictate what is appropriate and what is not appropriate content. That's the fundamental instrument of any authoritarian or totalitarian government.
By the way, threating a person with violence, bodily harm or injury is not protected free speech. At that point you're infringing upon another's rights. But that's not what this guy is guilty of doing ... is it that difficult to realise that the solution to offensive speech is simply more speech? |
The BNP are quite a recent phenomena, and there is a big difference between the history of ethnic minorities in the US (where they arrived mainly long before the UK and were used as slaves) whereas in the UK they mainly arrived in the 50s after the end of the empire (not saying this is 100% true in all aspects mind...)
But I have no doubt that the KKK and the BNP are exactly the same type of people |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Ummm why are all the British/Irish nationals acting as if we simply "don't understand" what the BNP stands for and what they're guilty of when we support their right to free speech? |
Not me, I understand what your saying I'm just saying I prefer it this way.
| quote: | | I looked them up on BBC news and I personally don't see anything as sordid as the history behind the KKK and the number of violent crimes they have committed in their 100 year history. Did the BNP regularly lynch blacks and terrorize them? |
Whats that got to do with their right to free speach(to use your own arguement)? I know your trying to contest the point with thouse who just say they are bad, but maybe the reason it hasn't happened is because we won't let it(via laws like these). |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Your talking out of your arse mate
Nick Griffin is a ing c.u.n.t an I'm glad he's in jail
He was arrested for RACIAL hatred, not, as you falsly try to imply, for religious hatred... |
is islam a race?? |
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