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Being L33T (pg. 3)
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| dallastar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
yes if your reffering to that tracklist i posted on my review that was from my own set.. i figure i should at least know what i played lol
did anyone see that episode of jeopardy where that guy bid
1337
i thought that was class |
missed it - sorry sunshine... leet leet leet - and now we can meet!
meat , feet, meet |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by dallastar
missed it - sorry sunshine... leet leet leet - and now we can meet!
meat , feet, meet |
you should try raping for eurodance i think you would do quite well
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by k la
Is it me or is the T.A. secret hand shake required become elite consist of being able to post the track list of a dj's set the day following a party? |
I think you're thinking of the Freemasons. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
you should try raping for eurodance i think you would do quite well
:D |
LOL, "raping" and "eurodance"... why don't I see a "problem" with this sentence? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Watsup with dat?
Why don't you just say what's on your mind. I mean if you got something worthwhile to say, then don't beat it around (Just an opin)........cuz it sounds kinda geeky when you use a made up language. Is there some other benefit to this language that we don't know of? |
*sigh* okay, I'll explain it to the people who don't get it...
-- Long story to follow, and don't give me about writing essays because I already had most of this written --
The whole l33tness concept actually originated (or at least attained popularity) with the original network Doom and Half-Life games, which for those of you who don't know are multiplayer first-person shooter games. Now of course, the standard practice in any computer/video game is rub the other dude's nose in it when you blow them away. So people came up with "clever" slogans like "fragged", "owned", etc. to accomplish that.
However, when you played with people who spent 16 hours a day playing that game, the games would get pretty intense and fast paced. So you didn't really have 10 seconds of idle time to sit there typing a "you got owned" message to the other players - if you did that, you'd get fragged yourself in that time. So people had to keep moving while they typed out these phrases, which led them to typing on just one hand while the other was free to navigate.
Back in those days some people actually still used the keyboard to navigate, so one hand would have to be on the arrow keys while the other was on the left side of the keyboard. In order to type phrases like "owned", you'd need to move your right hand. So people typed "0wned" instead - notice how you can reach the 0 with your pinky finger when your right hand is on the arrows.
For those of you who had to ask what's with all the "l33t" stuff, it should come as no surprise to you that other gamers misinterpreted the "0wned". They thought it was some kind of secret handshake among the more experienced players. People started doing it to be cool (yes, these people were complete geeks), and "0wned" became "0wn3d". Then people thought that people were just replacing the vowels with numbers, so other gems like "fr4gg3d" and "g4m3 0v3r b1tch!" started to surface.
Now, this was around the same time as the birth of the script kiddies. Again, for those who don't know, script kiddies were 12-year-old snot-nosed kids who downloaded mailbombers and "win-nuke" and other ty programs off of "hacker" sites and used them to piss off everybody they didn't like, which in the case of the script kiddies was just about everyone else on the planet. Naturally, the script kiddies were the same people who had nothing better to do than play games for 16 hours a day, so they picked up the same lingo that the gamers used. And they'd talk to all their friends about the "l33t h@x0r" (elite hacker) program they downloaded to 0wN th4t b17ch!!! Essentially it spawned this whole scummy subculture of snot-nosed computer geeks with their own strange language.
The key point to understand is that these idiots were almost universally looked down upon. And I don't mean that they were teased by bullies and jocks; even the nerds and geeks hated them, because the nerds and geeks actually knew a thing or two about computers, and the "1337 h@x0r" kiddies didn't. There were a lot of people like me around this time, 16 or 17 years old, who were "casual" computer geeks. We played games for a few hours a week maybe. We frequented bulletin boards and chat rooms, not really to chat, but to get our hands on the latest bootlegged software/music/porn. Of course in the process, we were exposed to the online "personalities" of these script kiddies - and when they weren't running scripts to print out 50,000 lines of garbage in the chat room, they were talking in their "l33t 5p34k".
Since the whole concept was so ridiculous, we made fun of it. And back in those days, it was hilarious, because people actually talked like that and thought it was cool. It was comic relief really, and we'd talk on ICQ and exchange stories and screen shots of the newest dumbass packet monkey who was flooding the chat room with his l33t crap. Some of the more software-savvy people like myself wrote programs to take plain text and translate it into this l33t-speak, and then post a 10-page document all in that ridiculous text. This probably sounds geeky to a lot of you, and in retrospect it was pretty geeky, but if you were an IT professional or even tech-savvy about 5 years ago, you'd understand just how funny it was to the rest of us when someone would post that 10-page l33t document and all the script kiddies would go "OMG WTF HOW DID YOU THAT!!?!?!?!?!" or "HAHAHAHA LOOSER HOW MANY HOURS DID IT TAKE U TO WRITE THAT".
So some of you should hopefully understand now, that the l33tness concept started out as the defining personality trait of the script kiddies but eventually became sort of an inside joke among the more experienced users. Obviously it stopped being funny in large doses after a few months, but there were always new people who were just learning about this inside joke and finding it just as hysterical, so the whole l33t lingo lasted a long time. It became very popular with players of a game called Counterstrike, who were probably the geekiest of the computer gamers (Counterstrike games took FOREVER to play, and anyone who could commit that much time on a daily basis probably didn't have much else to do).
So every now and then, someone will make a "1337" post or send us a "1337" message and everybody will remember the good old days and have a laugh. Lots of people made translators. Google even implemented it as one of their languages (go to google.com, click Preferences, and select "hacker" from the Interface Language list).
It's essentially a very old inside joke, nothing more, nothing less. I don't really care if n00bs know it because it's so old that it isn't even very funny anymore. To the hardcore geeks, it was cool - to the casual geeks like myself, it was camp. |
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| Kaz |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
*sigh* okay, I'll explain it to the people who don't get it...
-- Long story to follow, and don't give me about writing essays because I already had most of this written --
The whole l33tness concept actually originated (or at least attained popularity) with the original network Doom and Half-Life games, which for those of you who don't know are multiplayer first-person shooter games. Now of course, the standard practice in any computer/video game is rub the other dude's nose in it when you blow them away. So people came up with "clever" slogans like "fragged", "owned", etc. to accomplish that.
However, when you played with people who spent 16 hours a day playing that game, the games would get pretty intense and fast paced. So you didn't really have 10 seconds of idle time to sit there typing a "you got owned" message to the other players - if you did that, you'd get fragged yourself in that time. So people had to keep moving while they typed out these phrases, which led them to typing on just one hand while the other was free to navigate.
Back in those days some people actually still used the keyboard to navigate, so one hand would have to be on the arrow keys while the other was on the left side of the keyboard. In order to type phrases like "owned", you'd need to move your right hand. So people typed "0wned" instead - notice how you can reach the 0 with your pinky finger when your right hand is on the arrows.
For those of you who had to ask what's with all the "l33t" stuff, it should come as no surprise to you that other gamers misinterpreted the "0wned". They thought it was some kind of secret handshake among the more experienced players. People started doing it to be cool (yes, these people were complete geeks), and "0wned" became "0wn3d". Then people thought that people were just replacing the vowels with numbers, so other gems like "fr4gg3d" and "g4m3 0v3r b1tch!" started to surface.
Now, this was around the same time as the birth of the script kiddies. Again, for those who don't know, script kiddies were 12-year-old snot-nosed kids who downloaded mailbombers and "win-nuke" and other ty programs off of "hacker" sites and used them to piss off everybody they didn't like, which in the case of the script kiddies was just about everyone else on the planet. Naturally, the script kiddies were the same people who had nothing better to do than play games for 16 hours a day, so they picked up the same lingo that the gamers used. And they'd talk to all their friends about the "l33t h@x0r" (elite hacker) program they downloaded to 0wN th4t b17ch!!! Essentially it spawned this whole scummy subculture of snot-nosed computer geeks with their own strange language.
The key point to understand is that these idiots were almost universally looked down upon. And I don't mean that they were teased by bullies and jocks; even the nerds and geeks hated them, because the nerds and geeks actually knew a thing or two about computers, and the "1337 h@x0r" kiddies didn't. There were a lot of people like me around this time, 16 or 17 years old, who were "casual" computer geeks. We played games for a few hours a week maybe. We frequented bulletin boards and chat rooms, not really to chat, but to get our hands on the latest bootlegged software/music/porn. Of course in the process, we were exposed to the online "personalities" of these script kiddies - and when they weren't running scripts to print out 50,000 lines of garbage in the chat room, they were talking in their "l33t 5p34k".
Since the whole concept was so ridiculous, we made fun of it. And back in those days, it was hilarious, because people actually talked like that and thought it was cool. It was comic relief really, and we'd talk on ICQ and exchange stories and screen shots of the newest dumbass packet monkey who was flooding the chat room with his l33t crap. Some of the more software-savvy people like myself wrote programs to take plain text and translate it into this l33t-speak, and then post a 10-page document all in that ridiculous text. This probably sounds geeky to a lot of you, and in retrospect it was pretty geeky, but if you were an IT professional or even tech-savvy about 5 years ago, you'd understand just how funny it was to the rest of us when someone would post that 10-page l33t document and all the script kiddies would go "OMG WTF HOW DID YOU THAT!!?!?!?!?!" or "HAHAHAHA LOOSER HOW MANY HOURS DID IT TAKE U TO WRITE THAT".
So some of you should hopefully understand now, that the l33tness concept started out as the defining personality trait of the script kiddies but eventually became sort of an inside joke among the more experienced users. Obviously it stopped being funny in large doses after a few months, but there were always new people who were just learning about this inside joke and finding it just as hysterical, so the whole l33t lingo lasted a long time. It became very popular with players of a game called Counterstrike, who were probably the geekiest of the computer gamers (Counterstrike games took FOREVER to play, and anyone who could commit that much time on a daily basis probably didn't have much else to do).
So every now and then, someone will make a "1337" post or send us a "1337" message and everybody will remember the good old days and have a laugh. Lots of people made translators. Google even implemented it as one of their languages (go to google.com, click Preferences, and select "hacker" from the Interface Language list).
It's essentially a very old inside joke, nothing more, nothing less. I don't really care if n00bs know it because it's so old that it isn't even very funny anymore. To the hardcore geeks, it was cool - to the casual geeks like myself, it was camp. |
I am no longer undoubtly or undoubtedly leet. :( |
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| Spam |
I'd make fun of you writing out an essay, but instead I'll make fun of your incorrect information. l33t sp33k started in IRC channels and MUDs (generaly PK muds) long before it ever gained any popularity in FPS games. n00b :P
In fact, it didn't take off in online gaming until the Quake 2 era of FPS gaming, and finally, games like Diablo, Ultima Online, Everquest and Counterstrike (Really the first mega-popular online games evar) made it mainstream.
On top of that, there was no "practical" reason for this coming along. Any FPS gamer capable of "pwning" someone would have their keyboard set up properly as well (Forward = W, Left Straffe = a, Right = d, Backstep = s) and would have no need of discovering that 0 is right there beside your finger.
Most of l33t sp33k (mainly the typo version of words such as t3h and pwn3d) were just common typos people would make that looked cool, and then other geeks made them look "c00l3r!!1", and the numbers and symbols were integrated into normal words as well. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
*sigh* okay, I'll explain it to the people who don't get it...
-- Long story ...The whole l33tness concept actually originated (or at least attained popularity) with the original network Doom and Half-Life games, which for those of you who don't know are multiplayer first-person shooter games.
For those of you who had to ask what's with all the "l33t" stuff, it should come as no surprise to you that other gamers misinterpreted the "0wned". They thought it was some kind of secret handshake among the more experienced players. People started doing it to be cool (yes, these people were complete geeks), and "0wned" became "0wn3d". Then people thought that people were just replacing the vowels with numbers, so other gems like "fr4gg3d" and "g4m3 0v3r b1tch!" started to surface.
Now, this was around the same time as the birth of the script kiddies. Again, for those who don't know, script kiddies were 12-year-old snot-nosed kids who downloaded mailbombers and "win-nuke" and other ty programs off of "hacker" sites and used them to piss off everybody they didn't like, which in the case of the script kiddies was just about everyone else on the planet. ...And they'd talk to all their friends about the "l33t h@x0r" (elite hacker) program they downloaded to 0wN th4t b17ch!!! Essentially it spawned this whole scummy subculture of snot-nosed computer geeks with their own strange language.
The key point to understand is that these idiots were almost universally looked down upon. ...even the nerds and geeks hated them, because the nerds and geeks actually knew a thing or two about computers, and the "1337 h@x0r" kiddies didn't. There were a lot of people like me around this time, 16 or 17 years old, who were "casual" computer geeks. We played games for a few hours a week maybe. We frequented bulletin boards and chat rooms, not really to chat, but to get our hands on the latest bootlegged software/music/porn. Of course in the process, we were exposed to the online "personalities" of these script kiddies - and when they weren't running scripts to print out 50,000 lines of garbage in the chat room, they were talking in their "l33t 5p34k".
Since the whole concept was so ridiculous, we made fun of it. And back in those days, it was hilarious, because people actually talked like that and thought it was cool. It was comic relief really, and we'd talk on ICQ and exchange stories and screen shots ...Some of the more software-savvy people like myself wrote programs to take plain text and translate it into this l33t-speak, and then post a 10-page document all in that ridiculous text. This probably sounds geeky to a lot of you, and in retrospect it was pretty geeky, but if you were an IT professional or even tech-savvy about 5 years ago, you'd understand just how funny it was to the rest of us when someone would post that 10-page l33t document and all the script kiddies would go "OMG WTF HOW DID YOU THAT!!?!?!?!?!" or "HAHAHAHA LOOSER HOW MANY HOURS DID IT TAKE U TO WRITE THAT".
So some of you should hopefully understand now, that the l33tness concept started out as the defining personality trait of the script kiddies but eventually became sort of an inside joke among the more experienced users. Obviously it stopped being funny in large doses
So every now and then, someone will make a "1337" post or send us a "1337" message and everybody will remember the good old days and have a laugh.
It's essentially a very old inside joke, nothing more, nothing less. I don't really care if n00bs know it because it's so old that it isn't even very funny anymore. To the hardcore geeks, it was cool - to the casual geeks like myself, it was camp. |
OMG DigiNut, thanks.....I think :eyes:
Wew what a long winded explanation....
Funny haha that no tech savvy friends or relatives ever told me bout this lingo, but then I was always more partial to mirc back then (...and just spoke to my bro - who refers to it as ancient hacker script, only he concurred that it didn't take off until the Quake 2 era & games like Diablo, etc, etc, and Counterstrike).
Neways, it doesn't sound all that interesting or funny now, so I'll assume all of you have gotten it out of your system --> I hope *sigh*
And on the topic of setlists...
I thnx those daring enuf to write out the list of songs in an event. They are my heros. It's such a great help when I'm trying to find or id tracks from a dj set. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
I'd make fun of you writing out an essay, but instead I'll make fun of your incorrect information. l33t sp33k started in IRC channels and MUDs (generaly PK muds) long before it ever gained any popularity in FPS games. n00b :P
In fact, it didn't take off in online gaming until the Quake 2 era of FPS gaming, and finally, games like Diablo, Ultima Online, Everquest and Counterstrike (Really the first mega-popular online games evar) made it mainstream.
On top of that, there was no "practical" reason for this coming along. Any FPS gamer capable of "pwning" someone would have their keyboard set up properly as well (Forward = W, Left Straffe = a, Right = d, Backstep = s) and would have no need of discovering that 0 is right there beside your finger.
Most of l33t sp33k (mainly the typo version of words such as t3h and pwn3d) were just common typos people would make that looked cool, and then other geeks made them look "c00l3r!!1", and the numbers and symbols were integrated into normal words as well. |
You're incorrect. It did get popular in MUDs and mIRC (as I mentioned), but that was AFTER the script kiddies spread it.
What do you think, that a whole bunch of people randomly just started talking like that? It's like "4:20", there may be a lot of garbage rumours about where it came from but it DID have an origin, it didn't just magically come into existence across the globe.
Trust me man, I saw it with my own eyes. I was a teenage tech-geek at the exact time I'm talking about when all these things happened. Quake 2 hasn't even been around that long. What you were seeing was basically the second wave of it, the people who didn't really understand its origins but just knew that it was the way people talked.
I don't seem to recall the original Doom case even allowing you to configure the controls, but I could be wrong about that.
*sigh* kids these days, think they know everything... this happened like 10 years ago, I was watching all this unfold before any of you 16-year-olds even had computers. |
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| amb_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
ancient hacker script |
3r15 43v3r
:toocool: |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by amb_
3r15 43v3r
:toocool: |
Looked at it for a while dreading the task of figuring it out, then it bitch slapped me in the face.
\O/ ROFL LMAO :haha: :haha: :haha: |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You're incorrect. It did get popular in MUDs and mIRC (as I mentioned), but that was AFTER the script kiddies spread it.
What do you think, that a whole bunch of people randomly just started talking like that? It's like "4:20", there may be a lot of garbage rumours about where it came from but it DID have an origin, it didn't just magically come into existence across the globe.
Trust me man, I saw it with my own eyes. I was a teenage tech-geek at the exact time I'm talking about when all these things happened. Quake 2 hasn't even been around that long. What you were seeing was basically the second wave of it, the people who didn't really understand its origins but just knew that it was the way people talked.
I don't seem to recall the original Doom case even allowing you to configure the controls, but I could be wrong about that.
*sigh* kids these days, think they know everything... this happened like 10 years ago, I was watching all this unfold before any of you 16-year-olds even had computers. |
That's it! I need official documentation. I swear to God, 3 years ago I was arguing the exact same info you are (though less detailed, since I experienced your second wave). And the jackass convinced me that it started in mIRC and spread to gaming. I want links! |
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