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Slip-Cueing, BM, Treble, Listening
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| Radders2003 |
Ok, starting the 2nd record's beat in time with the first record. I'm learning this before i start learning beatmatching. The first record is playing and i get the 2nd record, it's first beat i stop the record while the platter moves undernath. Then i go back and forth over the beat and let go. Hopefully the beat stays in time until they start to drift. I'm having trouble doing this. Sometimes i can do it perfectly, and other times just before or just after. I've tried to do this with the same record and it actually seems harder...why is that? They are the same tempo?
Beatmatching. Still need practice on this. It seems to me that i can only pick out large differences. Obvious ones then i would know if it's faster or slower. When i get down to changing the pitch control to very small amounts i cannot tell the difference. Is this due to practice? When the 2 tracks are beatmatched but, the beats are not alligned, and all you can hear is b-boom b-boom, how do you no which is faster and which is slower, it seems impossible.
You know the treble knobs for both channels, when fading in and fading out records do you low these or don't you even touch these? Are they both at full volumne? Or do you fade one out while you fade one in? If so, when during the mix? I do this for bass, when the crossfader is in the middle.
When listening to 2 different records, i.e record 1 in speakers and record 2 in headphones. If on each record there is just kick beats, then i can listen to them both pefectly, but if both record have hi-hats and melodys etc, then i can't even hear the kick beats on the speaker record. Is this due to pratice also..?
Sorry for the long post. Cheers for any comments. Thanks. |
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| Briden |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radders2003
Ok, starting the 2nd record's beat in time with the first record. I'm learning this before i start learning beatmatching. The first record is playing and i get the 2nd record, it's first beat i stop the record while the platter moves undernath. Then i go back and forth over the beat and let go. Hopefully the beat stays in time until they start to drift. I'm having trouble doing this. Sometimes i can do it perfectly, and other times just before or just after. I've tried to do this with the same record and it actually seems harder...why is that? They are the same tempo?
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this depends on what tables you are using. tech 12s, you don't so much push the record out, but just let it go at the right time, maybe with a slight push. it's hard to get it perfect, but even if you don't, just fix it quick with your hand while it's still there. with lesser tables, you will need to push it, to get the platter back up to speed.
| quote: | Originally posted by Radders2003
Beatmatching. Still need practice on this. It seems to me that i can only pick out large differences. Obvious ones then i would know if it's faster or slower. When i get down to changing the pitch control to very small amounts i cannot tell the difference. Is this due to practice? When the 2 tracks are beatmatched but, the beats are not alligned, and all you can hear is b-boom b-boom, how do you no which is faster and which is slower, it seems impossible.
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it's tough, but not impossible. play around with the relative volumes of the tracks in the headphones to be able to pick out which one is which (but don't change the playing tracks volume!). also, use the EQ, i find it easiest to whack the mid and treble up to about 3 o clock, makes it easier to pick up the snare on the incoming record. just remember to put them back to normal before letting it go live. Knowing your tracks here helps, because you will know which beat is which. even if you don't just listen to the cue track in your cans, memorize what the kick sounds like, then you will know. One final tip if you are really stuck is, just make a guess, and a small adjustment. if it sounds closer than it was, you know you went the right way, if it sounds worse, you know you went the wrong way. from that, fix em up, then move the pitch slider in the appropriate direction.
| quote: | Originally posted by Radders2003
You know the treble knobs for both channels, when fading in and fading out records do you low these or don't you even touch these? Are they both at full volumne? Or do you fade one out while you fade one in? If so, when during the mix? I do this for bass, when the crossfader is in the middle.
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the bass is the most important, as it represents 80-90% of the overall volume of the track. but, the high and mid are important too. I usually mix by dropping in the track with the mid and high set a little up (say 2 oclock for the mid, 1 oclock for the treble, 9 oclock bass), and then at the perfect time (a phrase change), whack the volume fader at about 75%. then, you've got the highs and mids of the incoming with everything of the outgoing. then, either slowly or sharply (on the beat), bring the volume up, and while bringing the outgoing tracks mids and treble down a bit. Then, at the opportune time, swap the basses, bringing the incoming up to 12 oclock, and the outgoing down to about 10 oclock.
this is a GENERAL theory though, each mix is different, you have to listen if what you are doing sounds good or not, all the while keeping a watch on your levels to make sure you are not redlining. but all in all, that strategy seems to work good for me.
another way to mix is the reverse, bring down the treble and mids on the incoming, leave the bass on almost full, then at the right time, drop the bass on the outgoing, and bring the incoming up to almost full volume. this will leave you with the outgoing tracks bass gone, and the kick from the new track carrying the beat. then you drop in the highs and mids from the incoming track at the right times. i find this second way works best with harder music like hard trance, hard house etc.
| quote: | Originally posted by Radders2003
When listening to 2 different records, i.e record 1 in speakers and record 2 in headphones. If on each record there is just kick beats, then i can listen to them both pefectly, but if both record have hi-hats and melodys etc, then i can't even hear the kick beats on the speaker record. Is this due to pratice also..?
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more practice and you will be able to hear it. you will even be able to hear the beats in a beatless melody! but if you are having trouble, you can always bring the bass up and the treble and mids down if the melody and hats are confusing you. this is assuming of course you can hear EQ changes in the headphones, something which all but the most stupidly designed (and seemingly most expensive) mixers can do.
| quote: | Originally posted by Radders2003
Sorry for the long post. Cheers for any comments. Thanks. |
hope that helps good luck! |
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| Radders2003 |
| Thank you so much! I will try all those method you just lisetd. Cheers! |
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| Briden |
| no worries mate, peace. |
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| Radders2003 |
I'm really practicing hard on beatmacthing. I can pick out big differences but not small ones. It's actually quite simple to do at the start but when you get really narrow in changes with pitch control it gets hard. I'm sure i did it about half an hour ago. I managed to get the 2nd record down to something like -3.8% and they were going on time with each other, but the poblem was that the beats wern't lined up, so it as going b-boom. But i actually did it. Now i've got to practice seeing which record is faster when they are really close together.
Also, i have 2 Tiesto & Junkie XL - Obsession records. I play them and practice cueing up so they are running at the same time. But it's weird because i can't literally cue them up like i can with other records. I can cue other records up perfect. Why is this for 2 records the same?
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radders2003
Also, i have 2 Tiesto & Junkie XL - Obsession records. I play them and practice cueing up so they are running at the same time. But it's weird because i can't literally cue them up like i can with other records. I can cue other records up perfect. Why is this for 2 records the same?
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Possibly because they're 2 of the same records and therefore it's much harder to tell which one is which while cueing since the sounds are identical?
IMO it's a bad idea to learn to beatmatch with 2 copies of the same tune. |
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| Radders2003 |
| I've herad off many people to buy 2 of the same record and practice cueing up, but actually it is harder. |
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| zoomzoom |
| quote: | | When the 2 tracks are beatmatched but, the beats are not alligned, and all you can hear is b-boom b-boom, how do you no which is faster and which is slower, it seems impossible. |
If I'm unsure as to which record is faster and which is slower, I have a simple solution. I'll speed up or slow down my cued track (depending on what I think the faster track is). If it sounds better, I'm doing the right thing (ie. adjusting it properly), if it sounds worse, I know I need to go the other way. |
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| rafale |
In regards to knowing which track to speed up/slow down, I used to do it like how briden and zoomzoom said, but after knowing your tracks you will actually recognize which parts of the tracks are playing faster/slower. just know your tracks... helps tremendously...
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| djdimensions |
| get some old pvd tunes ive been told they work the best i just learned to beatmatch in sept and ive been djying for a year.i never knew wtf is was untill i sat down and listened to songs carefully. it gets easier and easier |
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