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Zabiela on a budget
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| CraSHer[UK] |
Basically I have seen Zabiela live, own his cd's and hence the 'making of alive' thingy.
I love his stuff but basically I cannot afford a DJM 600 and 2xcdj 1000's.
Am i wrong in thinking zabiela doesnt need the cdj 1000 for almost all of his tricks? Because any cdj that loops and has a jog wheel to scratch surley will suffice? And a lot of the loops he uses seem to be sequenced through the EFX500 anyway.
So first of all, why couldnt you use 2 turntables, 1 axis 9 and a EFX 500? The axis 9 can scratch, can seamlessly loop, what else does it need to do?
I dont own an axis 9 either (yet), is the scratch ability not good enough?
Finally, my mixer a behringer VMX300. I am perfectly happy with my mixer and it does indeed have a single send and return pair of phono/RCA's. Now is that going to limit me?
As I understand it (actually its easier if i put it how someone elso has allready put it)
"the Send outputs simply send whatever the PFL/Headphones are monitoring. Unlike more expensive mixers therefore, you cannot apply effects to one music channel, whilst cueing up the next track on the headphones. The moment you change the PFL/cueing buttons to monitor another channel, zap! That's the channel that the effects unit will see, effect, and send back to your mix, thereby letting the audience hearing what you were cueing up for the next track."
So with the limitingness of my mixer will these tricks be possible. I dont really understand,
Could i do what zabiela does when he.
Loops a sound on his cdj,
Uses the transform effect to chop it up
then simeltaneously scratches with one side of the EFX to create like a flanging effect, while simeltaneously scratches with the jog wheel of the cdj to scratch the sample.
All of this over the top of say a record on another channel on the vmx 300.
Any help greatly appreciated. |
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| nrjizer |
| I'd reccomend two CDJ-800's and the EFX500. |
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| CraSHer[UK] |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
I'd reccomend two CDJ-800's and the EFX500. |
I could do that.
My only concern would then be the mixer, would my vmx 300 be sufficient do you know? |
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| TranceLuver4evr |
| quote: | Originally posted by CraSHer[UK]
I could do that.
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Main problem is...CDJ-800 doesn't have hot cues
If you've seen this man live b4, u'll notice he carries a SD card with him
The SD card includes all the hot cues that he could get to right away when he's in the middle of a set
I think the "hot cue" is a big function u'll need in order to do tricks in and out like Mr. Z |
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| beats and beeps |
A mixer, regular turntables, and an efx is all you need.
locked grooves. |
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| sym |
| JZ is the man, but I think now too many are trying to emulate his style, no offense. |
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| Zild |
| You can do all that stuff with turntables and an EFX 500. However, you won't get an SD card with all your hot cues saved on it. |
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| dj chex |
| quote: | Originally posted by sym
JZ is the man, but I think now too many are trying to emulate his style, no offense. |
+1 ;)
none taken :) |
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| Ken_Allen |
Zabelia sucks. I don't know what you all are so amazed by. Ever seen a true turntablist in action? Zabelia or any of you including me and dj tiesto and all those other edm dj's out there have to admit there isn't really much skill into mixing or some basic efx with some scratching zabelia doesn't even do.
http://www.dmcworld.com/technics2004/videos.asp <---2004 champ & I wouldn't be suprised if some of you havn't already seen it. 2002 is a good one too |
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| sym |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ken_Allen
Zabelia sucks. I don't know what you all are so amazed by. Ever seen a true turntablist in action? Zabelia or any of you including me and dj tiesto and all those other edm dj's out there have to admit there isn't really much skill into mixing or some basic efx with some scratching zabelia doesn't even do.
http://www.dmcworld.com/technics2004/videos.asp <---2004 champ & I wouldn't be suprised if some of you havn't already seen it. 2002 is a good one too |
IMO you don't know what you're talkin about. I do agree that Zabiela isn't on the level as a DMC champ, but really few are. Those guy and alot of turntablists have immense skill and coordination, but I doubt they could incorporate scratchin into an EDM set as well as Zabiela.
That's not even the reason Zabiela is really respected, the man is just a great DJ on so many levels, and is such a fresh sound compared to so many copycat PvDs, Tiestos, Armins, etc. Zab really picked a sound that honestly not that many people were listening to and brought it to the forefront, while at the same time reinventing it by incorporating well used FX and some turntablist tricks. And it seems he succeeded judging by how many JZ fans there are today. |
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| nrjizer |
Skill is nothing without execution.
Fact is, as awesome and insane as these DMC style turntablists are, I've yet to see any of them incorporate these kind of tricks into an EDM set like Zabiela has. Dave Clarke, and Donald Glaude are incredible turntablists, but no one else has combined that with the EFX (except Hawtin, but I don't think he's much of a turntablist). Not to mention he has a great style of music. |
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| sym |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Ummm, you already won troll of the year award in that other thread, you dont need to come in here and start . Dont you have some homework to do, dont wanna fail 7th grade math do you? Please get the out.
Now that I have stated my disgust of you, I will go on to defend Zabiela, yea, if you compare him to DMC champs he aint nearly as talented, but he does something different, he puts together whole new sounds out of different songs, you dont even notice what he is doing half the time, and thats the point. Turntablists come out and try to make it sound like they are doing something, thats the point. When you listen to something from Zabiela has done it sounds like a normal tracks, but really its a whole lot more. |
Ya that is the craziest part. You listen to a JZ set and you might not even realize what you're hearing isnt part of the track until you listen to the track on it's own and your like god damn. Besides that, comparing him the DMC DJs isn't really fair, they arent trying to do a DJ set. They do performances for 5 minutes or so, and that is their job, just to be insane at scratching.
Jay Z is a DJ, he plays music but incorporates certain tricks. |
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