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The word UPLIFTING! (pg. 2)
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by starglider
I don't like the word epic either. Not all melodic trance is epic, nor is it uplifting. I really don't think there's a better way to describe the genre. |
There is nothing wrong with the word epic.
Epic: Surpassing the usual or ordinary, particularly in scope or size.
Which is a perfect description of epic trance.
Melodic trance is redundant. All trance is melodic. And all trance is not epic. Nor is all trance uplifting. These things have nothing to do with how epic is or is not a good word for a trance subgenre. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Not all trance is melodic. |
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| Radagast |
| Oh okay. Which trance track doesn't have some kind of melody? |
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| starglider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
There is nothing wrong with the word epic.
Epic: Surpassing the usual or ordinary, particularly in scope or size.
Which is a perfect description of epic trance.
Melodic trance is redundant. All trance is melodic. And all trance is not epic. Nor is all trance uplifting. These things have nothing to do with how epic is not a good word for a trance subgenre. |
Epic is a poor word because it does not suggest a unique set of tracks. Any kind of trance can be epic, be it progressive, tech, ambient or otherwise. Beside,s, the word epic has other definitions than the one you mentioned. It's too vague. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by starglider
Definitions must change, or we must introduce new definitions, otherwise we can't hope to define music. Music changes, no? Then we must have a way to describe it.
Melodic is melodic, yes. All trance is melodic, yes. Distinctly different types of trance can, however, be recognized based on their musical properties, and thus categorized accordingly. The fact that you apparently wish to deny this process does not make it any less valid. |
Simply because a trance track has "more melody" does not merit a new genre name.
Leama - Requiem For A Dream (Leama's Dream Mix) =! Melodic Trance
Leama - Requiem For A Dream (Leama's Dream Mix) = Ambient Trance |
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| Ory |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Subtle |
What kind of stupid topic is this? All music is not "uplifting". People listen to/create music for a bunch of different reasons; to express anger, joy, sadness, or just get totally brained. :stongue:
While you're at it, why not bitch about the word trance? Not all trance puts you in a trance, does it? :rolleyes: No, because it's all subjective.
ing idiotic thread... |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Oh okay. Which trance track doesn't have some kind of melody? |
Any track comprised of notes has a melody. Only percussive music does not have a melody, and even then, some percussion can be melodic. The use of the word melodic in any musical context is comparative. Melodic trance is melodic in comparison to other forms of trance. Be as pedantic as you like, because it doesn't stop the rest of the world using the word in context, correctly. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by starglider
Epic is a poor word because it does not suggest a unique set of tracks. Any kind of trance can be epic, be it progressive, tech, ambient or otherwise. Beside,s, the word epic has other definitions than the one you mentioned. It's too vague. |
As compared to less over the top, in your face, grandiloquent trance, epic trance is EPIC. The definition I used is the definition of epic that EPIC TRANCE connotates. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Any track comprised of notes has a melody. Only percussive music does not have a melody, and even then, some percussion can be melodic. The use of the word melodic in any musical context is comparative. Melodic trance is melodic in comparison to other forms of trance. Be as pedantic as you like, because it doesn't stop the rest of the world using the word in context, correctly. |
Melodic = containing melody. All trance contains melody. Therefore no group or substyle of trance can be named melodic. End of story. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
As compared to less over the top, in your face, grandiloquent trance, epic trance is EPIC. The definition I used is the definition of epic that EPIC TRANCE connotates. |
In fact, you've just contradicted yourself with this line of arguing. You either lose to Starglider, or me, take your pick. |
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| Ory |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Any track comprised of notes has a melody. Only percussive music does not have a melody, and even then, some percussion can be melodic. The use of the word melodic in any musical context is comparative. Melodic trance is melodic in comparison to other forms of trance. Be as pedantic as you like, because it doesn't stop the rest of the world using the word in context, correctly. |
In comparison to *what* other trance? You still haven't given examples. Trance is based on having a melody. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ory
In comparison to *what* other trance? You still haven't given examples. Trance is based on having a melody. |
Why do I have to give examples? Some trance has a melody in it for scant moments, other trance has melody throughout. I'm not making a ing list of examples, it's bloody obvious. |
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