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Toronto anti-smoking by law-Good or bad?
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| maxpain |
| Is it good or bad? |
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| St_Andrew |
| Good, smoking in public places hurts others, and should therefore be banned. |
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| Jayx1 |
ban children! They are the ones who spread cold and flu the most!
Ban them i say! |
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| DigiNut |
| Is this referring to Toronto's smoke-free bylaw which permits DSRs or the proposed Ontario legislation to ban smoking in all public places? |
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Is this referring to Toronto's smoke-free bylaw which permits DSRs or the proposed Ontario legislation to ban smoking in all public places? |
As a non-smoker I was in favour of the previous ban which allowed a DSR but now these establishments ,who spent thousands on a DSR ,are pissed for justifiable reasons.
But yeah I think the question should be more specific;) |
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| StereoPrincess |
| do a search. we have beat this topic to death over and over again. |
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| maxpain |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Is this referring to Toronto's smoke-free bylaw which permits DSRs or the proposed Ontario legislation to ban smoking in all public places? |
This refers to the situation overall including the legislation which has already been implemented and the whole plan to ban smoking in designated smoking rooms and patios altogether by May of 2006. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by maxpain
This refers to the situation overall including the legislation which has already been implemented and the whole plan to ban smoking in designated smoking rooms and patios altogether by May of 2006. |
Geez, you should work in the senate, stapling a whole bunch of unrelated legislation together so people have to either vote for ALL of it or against ALL of it.
I supported the Toronto legislation which made Designated Smoking Rooms mandatory for buildings which permit smoking. I don't support the Ontario legislation banning the DSRs and banning smoking altogether.
I can't answer "overall" because they are two separate issues. Pick one. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
ban children! They are the ones who spread cold and flu the most!
Ban them i say! |
children = good for other things (such as the continuenation of mankind :p)
smoking is not. |
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| crazedcanuck |
I voted Good, due to the immediate personal benefits I've obtained as a non-smoker.
Overall I believe it is bad policy, and bad government.
The smoking ban has been debilitating to businesses, and like most Government policy, a cheap way of making social change. It is however, not a just or effective one unfortunately.
What SHOULD have happened is regulation of the establishments to serve the customers they want to appeal to.
Bars and restaurants should have been forced to install proper ventilation, and seperate sections for smokers and non. Perhaps requiring a certain precentage of floorspace for each clientele. The business has the RIGHT to choose their model and what they want to cater to to make money, the government has UNFAIRLY taken that away.
You offer staff positions for each section, smoking or non. If you want to work in a smoke free section, you apply there. If you don't mind the smoke, you apply to the smoking section.
If they can install and enforce bylaws regarding the quality of health of establishments and their kitchens in Toronto, why not for smoking?
Afterall, it's a vice in legal supply.
How would you respond to an alcohol ban? I'm a moderate drinker, and people who drink to excess often behave like assclaps, encroaching upon my rights to enjoy the same establishment they are. I can't count the times over my lifespan I've been involved in a physical altercation due to people drinking in public. If anything booze is a bigger threat to the immediate health of most of us than second hand smoke.
Put that in your pipe and.... |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by crazedcanuck
I voted Good, due to the immediate personal benefits I've obtained as a non-smoker.
Overall I believe it is bad policy, and bad government.
The smoking ban has been debilitating to businesses, and like most Government policy, a cheap way of making social change. It is however, not a just or effective one unfortunately.
What SHOULD have happened is regulation of the establishments to serve the customers they want to appeal to.
Bars and restaurants should have been forced to install proper ventilation, and seperate sections for smokers and non. Perhaps requiring a certain precentage of floorspace for each clientele. The business has the RIGHT to choose their model and what they want to cater to to make money, the government has UNFAIRLY taken that away.
You offer staff positions for each section, smoking or non. If you want to work in a smoke free section, you apply there. If you don't mind the smoke, you apply to the smoking section.
If they can install and enforce bylaws regarding the quality of health of establishments and their kitchens in Toronto, why not for smoking?
Afterall, it's a vice in legal supply.
How would you respond to an alcohol ban? I'm a moderate drinker, and people who drink to excess often behave like assclaps, encroaching upon my rights to enjoy the same establishment they are. I can't count the times over my lifespan I've been involved in a physical altercation due to people drinking in public. If anything booze is a bigger threat to the immediate health of most of us than second hand smoke.
Put that in your pipe and.... |
Dude, did you just use the word "assclap"? :p
But a very good point in particular about the staff positions. If the clubs had DSRs (that were PROPERLY ventilated) AND non-smoking staff positions, then I can't see any reason to take the legislation further. |
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