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| St_Andrew |
So i was looking at the "Bush speakes 3 DAYS AFTER and only 35 Million given...woooowww....." thread and was thinking... wtf! hehe... seriously, an american starts the thread, critizising its governemnt, then quite many americans start to accuse the world for beeing anti american and only critizing the US for everything... i really cant remember that any non american in that thread was that sceptic, most people agreed that this was only the beginning, then the competition started on who is giving most, which is another story :p anyway, the funny thing is that i dont think the swedish media, nor the canadian media ever critized the US more than they did with any other governemtn, ie they only mentioned that they had been critized... which they did with many countries, not only the US...
pretty much every governemnt it seems has been critized for doing too little too slow... guess they are catching up now tho...
then apperntly according to this new york times aricle the muslims in indonesia are praysing america and critizising the muslims countries for doing to litle:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/07/i...?pagewanted=all
so the moral of this story is, stop saying that everyone is anti american all the time, it gets annoying! |
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| Yoepus |
i hate it when you anti-americans always try and justify your anti-americanism.:mad:
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| zig |
| yep id say smokeape is gonna like this one..:) |
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| BadBadNeil |
I believe it started with the UN guy with his remarks on the first day that while seemingly general were really aimed at the US specifically based on some of the figures he gave.
You do have to admit that Americans just can't win. Try to help someone and there is an agenda, don't help and you are ruthless, don't help enough and you are cheap, help with force and you are a brutal occupyer. People tend to often point out that the US is trying to take over the world with its military stationed all over the globe but they don't complain when these same forces stationed all over the globe are in a position to quickly respond to tradgedies such as this. Just can't win. |
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| zig |
| nope you cant win but i guess you will keep on trying huh... |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
I believe it started with the UN guy with his remarks on the first day that while seemingly general were really aimed at the US specifically based on some of the figures he gave.
You do have to admit that Americans just can't win. Try to help someone and there is an agenda, don't help and you are ruthless, don't help enough and you are cheap, help with force and you are a brutal occupyer. People tend to often point out that the US is trying to take over the world with its military stationed all over the globe but they don't complain when these same forces stationed all over the globe are in a position to quickly respond to tradgedies such as this. Just can't win. |
well no one is perfect, and i do agree that sometime you take a lot of that you shouldnt get. Many times the critizism is valid, but its like you cant critisize america without beeing anti american?
for some things you are just beggin for beeing hated tho ;) like going against the UN and most people in the rest of the world and invading another country on false claims... |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by zig
nope you cant win but i guess you will keep on trying huh... |
yup. thats what we do |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by zig
yep id say smokeape is gonna like this one..:) |
Yep, and you ain't lying. I think the only aid those poor son-of-a-bitches need is a few nukes to level the rest of their sorry ass ghetto society. C'mon now, most of the places wiped out by the tsunami was good riddance...
Hey, where's Cyrus? Give me an amen, bud.
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| St_Andrew |
| then there is people like smokeape, if you only meet someone like him, it would probably make sense to be anti american :) |
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| smokeape |
NOw there's a fact. The other fact is they're still scooping the ignorant fools off of beaches with front end loaders who thought they would never deal with a typhoon or tsunami in their lifetimes. I don't pity fools living in tin huts down by the seashore in known disaster zones and really don't pity other fools living in flood plains, on earthquake faults, or in volcanic lava flow areas either.
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| .montecarlo. |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
You do have to admit that Americans just can't win. Try to help someone and there is an agenda, don't help and you are ruthless, don't help enough and you are cheap, help with force and you are a brutal occupyer. People tend to often point out that the US is trying to take over the world with its military stationed all over the globe but they don't complain when these same forces stationed all over the globe are in a position to quickly respond to tradgedies such as this. Just can't win. |
It's just resentment towards the global super-power. Just like everyone hates the rich kid but they all wish they were him. |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
well no one is perfect, and i do agree that sometime you take a lot of that you shouldnt get. Many times the critizism is valid, but its like you cant critisize america without beeing anti american?
for some things you are just beggin for beeing hated tho ;) like going against the UN and most people in the rest of the world and invading another country on false claims... |
Oh not saying the US is perfect and critisizing is fine when it is valid and not just spurred up because we are the US.
I think people too often have this great standard that we seem forced to uphold by carrying the US flag that we have to rush to everyone's aid, that we are allowed to do no wrong, that we have to always be equal and moderators with every country, we are supposed to donate more than everyone, etc. Sure some things come with being a superpower, and I think often people watch us much too closely because we are so visable.
For example the US war in Iraq, a good number of people have died as a result of the war and we all hear about it all the time. However I read the other day that well over 200,000,000 people have died as a result of direct or indirect action of a war in the world since 1990 and the world has heard very little of those even though they dwarf what has happened in Iraq.
I think the criticisms in Iraq are valid. Hell any criticism is valid if you provide logical reasoning hehind the criticism and facts if available.
I do think posts bitching about contributions are illogical and really help nothing. Something is better than nothing. Someone the other day on tv was doing some US bitching about how we spent $16 billion in florida and $350million in this disaster so far (not including troops and equip). Well of course we spent more here, people have insurance claims, our home prices average $500,000+ each, they aren't very modest homes like those destroyed in this latest diaster, and we had to cover our own disaster from our own pockets, not the help of the entire world. |
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