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| [PCO]sigmanova |
agreed, even though i like what Armin plays, even if people call me names for it...i just don't care. i'll stick to what i like k thanks.
making fun of other people's taste in music is pretty childish and if you want people to listen to better (or music you enjoy), you should try to introduce them to the tracks you fancy now rather than degrade their taste in music.
i think Ory just gets a kick out of cheesing people off.
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anyway, laters. |
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| Durrrtysouth |
| You guys have no idea how bad this is for the scene. Like it or not ASOT was a platform for new music to be heard, and for the artists to get feedback on their music. Labels will not sign anything that hasnt proven itself first. You think there are other shows that you can tune in and listen to new releases on? Think again! You think artists are just going to send their music to just anyone with a show? I think not. Armin was usually the only person they sent music to. Wow, this really hurts the scene. |
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| [PCO]sigmanova |
| quote: | Originally posted by Durrrtysouth
You guys have no idea how bad this is for the scene. Like it or not ASOT was a platform for new music to be heard, and for the artists to get feedback on their music. Labels will not sign anything that hasnt proven itself first. You think there are other shows that you can tune in and listen to new releases on? Think again! You think artists are just going to send their music to just anyone with a show? I think not. Armin was usually the only person they sent music to. Wow, this really hurts the scene. |
so, Paul van Dyk, Above & Beyond, Misja Helsloot, Menno de Jong, Markus Schulz, Paul Oakenfold, DJ Precision, Pete Tong, John Digweed don't get promos and new tracks as well? These guys still put out radio shows showcasing new tunes. Just because ASOT stops for the foreseeable future doesn't mean the scene is dead. Just means the regular users will have to find their tracks elsewhere...really it's not a big deal. |
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| tribu |
Dont much care.
Even if ASOT never comes back, something new will step up and take it's place.
The potential market is too huge for that not to happen. |
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| Durrrtysouth |
I am stunned how cold you people have become. This scene has become so splintered with arguing and fighting.
This is almost like if Hot 97 in NYC went off the air. You dont think that would affect the hip hop scene? |
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| Wraith |
| I don't know, maybe it's because I A) Was never anywhere to listen to it when it was on and B) Got tired of it after a while, but I don't place near as much creedence on this as some people do. I mean you guys are starting to refer to it like it's the be all end all of the Trance scene. I never thought it was. IMO it was just a radio show. Not some messiah like program showing people the way to the EDM promised land. It does suck for those loyal listeners now that it's off the air, maybe it will comeback, maybe it won't, maybe some new show will come and take it's place and everyone can fawn over it, but regardless, life does go on. |
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| DC- |
This is indeed a very big blow to a scene that is already in trouble. ASOT was a perfect means for labels to test out their product on potential customers. Many labels (and artists) rely on feedback from the show. If it weren't for ASOT, people would have missed out on a LOT of tunes. Granted not every track that is played on the show is good, nobody and nothing is perfect, and as Armin stated himself, he occasionally uses the show as a venue to test out different sounds, that not everyone will like.
Love it or hate it, ASOT was a big reason why trance is as popular as it is today.
If you are not involved in the industry, you will not realize what severe repercussions will follow from this, but things and people will move on. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Durrrtysouth
You guys have no idea how bad this is for the scene. Like it or not ASOT was a platform for new music to be heard, and for the artists to get feedback on their music. Labels will not sign anything that hasnt proven itself first. You think there are other shows that you can tune in and listen to new releases on? Think again! You think artists are just going to send their music to just anyone with a show? I think not. Armin was usually the only person they sent music to. Wow, this really hurts the scene. |
Allow me to retort...
1.) It's good for the scene. How, I'll get to that later.
2.) Labels will sign stuff. Labels have connections with DJs, and can send promos out and base releases off of crowd reaction, not just to a radio show that has every listener and her/his second-cousin drooling over every single tune on the "essentials" as if it's the biggest thing since sliced bread.
3.) There are other shows that you can tune into. For starters, Global DJ Broadcast (though, it's just as bad as ASOT).
4.) Armin is far from the only person who gets new music. Every DJ on the DJ Mag list, and even those who aren't, get promos, whether you like it or not. Tiësto and Paul Oakenfold, based off of popularity, most likely get the most new music sent to them.
5.) Now, how does this benefit the scene? For starters, did you know that Armin has said that even he isn't fond of some of the tunes he played on ASOT? Yeah, that's right. And you know what that means? The show was run by major labels in it for a quick buck.
In addition, as many of us have been saying all along, the fall of ASOT will help bring rise to more original Trance. I don't know if you actually paid attention or not, but everything from last year's ASOT and somewhat into late-2003 sounded exactly the same. The same synths, the same build-ups, and the same breakdowns. The tunes that were aired on that program began to lack originality. Artists were getting hired by labels to do remixes not because they wanted to for the sheer pleasure, but because they wanted money. The cluster of 2003-2005 remixes of timeless classics is one example that can back that up.
The fact is, ASOT became too popular. It was good for a time, then people behind the scenes realized that it could be used as a money machine. This, in turn, caused a lack in originality. Now that ASOT is out of the picture, Trance has the chance to turn itself around, to become original and to gain a fresh, new sound once again. This is very positive for the scene. |
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| Durrrtysouth |
A quick buck???????
you call selling 1000 copies of something a quick buck? |
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| Sunsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
i dont know if anyone mentioned this, but i think the best thing to come out of this is that TA will no longer be totally bottlenecked with disk activity on thursdays! :D |
:stongue: Yay |
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| Durrrtysouth |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Allow me to retort...
1.) It's good for the scene. How, I'll get to that later.
2.) Labels will sign stuff. Labels have connections with DJs, and can send promos out and base releases off of crowd reaction, not just to a radio show that has every listener and her/his second-cousin drooling over every single tune on the "essentials" as if it's the biggest thing since sliced bread.
3.) There are other shows that you can tune into. For starters, Global DJ Broadcast (though, it's just as bad as ASOT).
4.) Armin is far from the only person who gets new music. Every DJ on the DJ Mag list, and even those who aren't, get promos, whether you like it or not. Tiësto and Paul Oakenfold, based off of popularity, most likely get the most new music sent to them.
5.) Now, how does this benefit the scene? For starters, did you know that Armin has said that even he isn't fond of some of the tunes he played on ASOT? Yeah, that's right. And you know what that means? The show was run by major labels in it for a quick buck.
In addition, as many of us have been saying all along, the fall of ASOT will help bring rise to more original Trance. I don't know if you actually paid attention or not, but everything from last year's ASOT and somewhat into late-2003 sounded exactly the same. The same synths, the same build-ups, and the same breakdowns. The tunes that were aired on that program began to lack originality. Artists were getting hired by labels to do remixes not because they wanted to for the sheer pleasure, but because they wanted money. The cluster of 2003-2005 remixes of timeless classics is one example that can back that up.
The fact is, ASOT became too popular. It was good for a time, then people behind the scenes realized that it could be used as a money machine. This, in turn, caused a lack in originality. Now that ASOT is out of the picture, Trance has the chance to turn itself around, to become original and to gain a fresh, new sound once again. This is very positive for the scene. |
In response to #2: ASOT didnt just play stuff from labels. Producers who werent signed yet would send Armin tracks and he would help get them singed. Once the tracks got signed to a label, they were pretty much all over DCC and every other file sharing service.
In Response to #3: GDJB focuses more on the more prog trance tunes with guest trance DJs, you will not hear the latest Filo & Peri, Kyau Vs Albert, Solid Globe, etc release on GDJB unless they are played by a guest.
In Response to #4: No Armin isnt the only one who gets new music, but he was a platform for the new music to be heard in a timely manner. Most of the DJs dont play all new music back to back, because that would not work in a club.
In Response to #5: You do not know the econimics of the trance music industry, most of the guys are doing remixes for trade. You remix my tune I remix yours. There is no golden goose, it is all done for the love of music. Armins passion always comes through. And Waht major labels are you speaking of? Armada? Anjuna? Blackhole? Common, these labels only sell a few thousand copies of a single. Thats a far cry from the days of selling 10,000.
You want to know why the trance scene is in the s, its because of the internet. There is no money to be made by selling 1000 copies of something, so all the talented artists have left the genre and gone on to produce music that is more profitable. Look at BT as a perfect example. He wants to be Moby so bad. Imagine if we still had someone like him making trance. How inspiring would that be for the bedroom producers? Bottom line is people need to survive and make a living. All of the talented REAL musicians have left. Plain and simple. Keep dreaming that trance is going to go back to the sounds the early days. Those artists have moved on with their lives. |
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| wolverine16 |
I agree that ASOT was quite repetitious at times and certainly some more originality is needed, but why wouldn't ID&T want to have Armin's show on its network and with a good time slot if it was so profitable? Also why do so many producers thank people for buying their album to allow them to actually recoup some money, rather than downloading it, if so many producers are doing well? I'm sure some are making profit (Amin's was coming primarily from touring), but it seems like EDM is such a small genre compared to others that an influx of new listeners could be good for all subgenres.
A lot of people who first got hooked initially to ASOT songs eventually found their way into other forms of EDM and are now helping to make those scenes better as they become more interested in more complex music. Most producers and listeners say they came into listening to EDM initially through trance. I just don't see that there's going to be a direct correlation between the absence of ASOT and the rise of lots of new prog house or tech fans and new creative producers.
Regardless, hopefully there will be some new ideas and quality music that will get some airtime from someone and hopefully everyone can get along on TA in the future and respect the opinions of others, even if they don't agree. |
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