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| Basstard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
i(like just put finger down on it)... and I adjust up, and if I notice that I dont need to tap as fast then its getting closer to on beat, if not I start going down...
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| djdimensions |
| quote: | Originally posted by L.E.N.
If you have a mixer with BPM counter..ignore them, put tape over them whatever. Never trust a BPM counter. Just get two records and match them try to get it so it rides through the rest of the track matched. when done, move the pitch on both tables and do it again. Keep doing it. Thats how the guy who introduced me to mixing warmed me up to it 6 years ago. Dont get me wrong Im no pro but it helped me get an ear for it. |
really good point i got my djm 600 and i started mixing with the beatcounter and my mixing is horrible now so im gonna step away and go back to the way i learned |
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| DJSTER |
| Same here Pio 600 BPM counter ruined me. Without BPM counter it took me like atleast 5 min to beatmatch 1 song with my ears. But after much prac. i got it down to 30 sec. But now i have a new problem i only mix in my headphones :( |
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| veezee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
The simple truth about beatmatching is this...
A lot of young DJs start out and fall at the first hurdle because they don't really know what they are doing and there is no one around to explain the 'rules' (A term I use lightly) to them such as phrase matching etc...
I don't know how many times I have read the statement 'I've got beatmatching down pretty good, now what is there to do?' on this forum. Yet if you listen to a lot of mixes from younger DJs of this opinion you will hear that the mixes are often rough and have corrections a plenty.
Nothing wrong in that per se but it's as much to do with training your ear as training your skill with the pitch sliders.
I have heard many of those DJs come back to a mix that they were really prooud of and hear loads of mistakes in it simply because their skill has moved on and they hear things differently.
In truth I would say that to truly become profficient at beatmatching for most people will take anywhere between 3 to 5 years of pretty constant practice. And I know with that statement there will be those of you who think that you did it quicker but if you record yourself now and then a year or two later my point will most likely be made.
Beatmatching is the core skill of dance music DJing and needs to be kept well oiled. Make sure you dedicate time to practice regardless of the method you use i.e. pitch riding (my prefered) or touching the platter.
The truth about beat counters
They are not entirely pointless but do not provide any real use in the process of teaching anyone how to beat match.
They do however prove useful if you work with effects or you are sampling sections to use in other tracks etc.
From a DJing perspective they will help you get into the right area. But you should know your records well enough to know that anyway.
Cheers
Nem |
i agree to most of what you said except for the "kept oiled part" , i think once you have beatmatching down, you have it for life.. it is kind of like riding a bike, it becomes a second nature. What there is always room for is creativity within your mix..you can and will always learn new tricks, and eventually will develop your own style. Beatmatching is the foundation, and thats it.
IMO!!
another beatmatching thread, and i am going to stop reading this forum. USE THE SEARCH BUTTON PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!
Jay :) |
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| Cheetah86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by veezee
another beatmatching thread, and i am going to stop reading this forum. USE THE SEARCH BUTTON PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!! |
Heh, I wonder if I'm the only person who enjoys this type of thread(technique-based thread), as opposed to the one million "is this a good beginner setup" threads. :p |
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| SeaMountain |
| A thing that should be mentioned is that how you use the eq really does alot mather to get that perfect beatmatch mix. What i mean is you wont here that traxx are a little bit offbeat sometimes if you only have the bass from one track. thats anyway what ive noticed when I got a mixer with eq :P |
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| Basstard |
| that can also be a disadvantage tho coz u dont know if the beats are matched properly. then when u turn up the low freq on the incomin track ur mix could go to hell. i dont have this problem tho coz im super duper 1337. that'll ding-dang do i say! |
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SeaMountain
A thing that should be mentioned is that how you use the eq really does alot mather to get that perfect beatmatch mix. What i mean is you wont here that traxx are a little bit offbeat sometimes if you only have the bass from one track. thats anyway what ive noticed when I got a mixer with eq :P |
eehh, you can still tell. There are still mids and highs going all crazy. |
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| kixalot |
| BPM counters are completely pointless IMO. I've never used one and can't really see any reason to. Sure, when I started DJing I had moments where I wanted to throw my turntables out the window and stomp the living out of them, but after that passes and your ability to beatmatch improves you're a lot better than any bpm counter. |
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| naesean3 |
mathmatics and rhythm - some will never grasp the synching of the 2
try mixing without the headphone - conduct the music - force your ear to listen - not train it to be lazy - frustrating but rewarding |
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| AlphaStarred |
| damn...this really compels me to realize i need to hit the decks and practice more often! :wtf: |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mike Vicious
once you get the good match set, is it possible that they drift still? or am i still doing it wrong and its possible to have records beatmatched the whole time without touching the pitch? |
Contrary to what a lot of people have said on the forum, yes they can still drift. There are many other factors that will play a part such as the condition of the vinyl itself. The placing of the hole on the record (is it slightly off center) and if it's warped etc.
Sometimes some records can be pressed badly and don't maintain a steady speed. That's why being able to make good subtle corrections is your best policy.
I have some records that wont drift at all, but others that have imperfections as stated above that I will have to fight all the way through, but you can still make a seemless mix with them. You just need to train your ears and pitch riding skill.
I realise that it is freedom of choice as to how you make your corrections and riding the pitch is hard to get used to but once you do you will look at other correction methods in a different light.
The thing with riding the pitch is that you almost have to know it's going out of time before it does.
There is nothing worse than hearing a fudge fingered DJ who thinks he is the man slap his hand on the side of the deck, it just stinks of noobdom. Don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue with guys who are actually starting out and trying to learn the art form.
My advice to any DJ on this forum is this:
1. Learn to beat match and understand the basic principles.
2. Learn how to mix harmonically, sooner rather than later, you could even do this before you do step one as it will make your beatmatching a lot easier as you don't have to work so hard to distuingwish the to records in your mind.
3. Learn how to use the speed buttons on your Tech to help with corrections. Holding down the 33 and pressing the 45 will give you a burst of speed which is great for tracks played at 33. Doesn't work other way around sadly but hey it's a neat trick.
4. Learn to ride the pitch, it will make everything smoother.
Yeah yeah yeah, I hear you say, always banging on about harmonic mixing Nem. Trust me, it will take you to the next level.
Cheers
Nem |
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