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| ZxZDeViLZxZ |
| no lots dont thats the advantage of having a powerhouse system is taht you dont have to convert to wave. take for example the orginal system i suggested. im quite sure youd be able to work a song with complete fx and without having to dissable any of them and full softsynths enabled without any issues. however on slowe systems about 70% through the production process you will start tog et choppiness and thats becuase of high cpu load and such so to avoid that you bounce your synth tracks to wav so you can save cpu power. |
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| Dj Yoel Culiner |
| Well that sucks ass... cause then I need about 10 grand for that system you recomended. It's crazy |
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| ZxZDeViLZxZ |
| it shouldnt cost that much as i belive your in isreal which probly gets cheap parts straight from asia. however ill say this go ahead and buy a athlon64 3500 and 2gb of corsair ram and the motherboard you listed id go with abit because i find their boards to be decent. and just buy a cheap soundcard emu cards are good so i belive the one you listed would be fine. |
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| onceler |
In about 6 months to a year, the whole computing industry in reguards to cpu's is going to get flipped upside down. AMD has their dual-core opterons set to come out this summer, while intel has their dual-core chips on track for 1st quarter, 2k6. This means that all computing will be going the way of multi-processing. If you are building a computer to last, my suggestion is to wait for these to come out. Dual-core processing is going to be the standard in a couple years. Might as well save some coin and build a computer that will get you to that point rather than going balls out and having to do it again soon.
As for the person who said high-end ram only came out a year or so ago.. it has been around for ages... just not available at your local best buy. |
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| Dj Yoel Culiner |
Devil: I think you are right :) thanks man
I cant wait a year or so for the multi systems....
I am here with a 2 GHZ intel board, And it cant breathe any longer.
And soon I may be signing some stuff, so I got to get some strong stuff in the box. But I wish I could wait |
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| Vizay |
| quote: | Originally posted by onceler
As for the person who said high-end ram only came out a year or so ago.. it has been around for ages... just not available at your local best buy. |
that's true and I actually don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that. Had been up a few hours to long I think :p
it's true that the last year has been an explosion when it comes to new products on the memory market but the high end memorys have been around for way longer than 1 year that's correct :)
well anyway, there's always the possibility to bounce synths down to wav's and save processingpower thanks to that but personally I hate doing that. It feels like I loose so much controll over the sound that'll become unchangeable. Thinks like the envelopes, filters and stuff like that.
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ohh and a little sidenote. I don't think the dual-core processors will be giving as much power as some people predict. It'll basicly work like a budget version of running dual processors but the big downside to it imo is that the cores will share the same cahe memory and stuff like that. |
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| Derivative |
| quote: | | well anyway, there's always the possibility to bounce synths down to wav's and save processingpower thanks to that but personally I hate doing that. It feels like I loose so much controll over the sound that'll become unchangeable. Thinks like the envelopes, filters and stuff like that. |
absolutely. and if you add stuff and want to make changes to the original loops you bounced its a pain in the arse and a slow process rerendering it, recutting it and re mastering so that it sits well with the rest of your tracks.
ideally i would like to write all my tunes in realtime. but the reality is that i dont have the processing power to realise the kinds of ideas of got in my head. and neither do alot of producers. even with top spec PCs. the more time i spend bouncing stuff down, the quicker and easier it gets and the more experience i get working this way. its annoying. but im slowly adjusting to it. and via this method i have as many PCs as it takes to fully realise my ideas because as soon as i hit the limits of my PC i can bounce it down and get my entire cpu load reset to 0 again. and besides, if you work with hardware, you HAVE to bounce it ;) |
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| mikefasssy |
| i have a socket 939 64bit 3500 processor on an asus a8v deluxe mobo. pretty economical and it definitely puts out enough cpu to run loads of vsts etc. |
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| onceler |
Vizay -
For dual-core, it is true that they will be sharing the same cache and what not, but you have to remember that once they hit the market, we are really going to see the beginning of true hyperthreading. Once they hit the market, more and more pc's are going to be built w/ them inside to the point that eventually, everything will be dual-core processing.
Currently, there arent too many programs that take advantage of a dual cpu system. In a couple years from now, we will prob. be saying the exact opposite. |
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| ZxZDeViLZxZ |
| if you have dual 2.8ghz operatrons trust me youll notice a differnce. i rember when i had a quad xeon system in 2001 had 4 888mhz xeon and trust me its unreal the proccessing power and how much more smoothly systems run. |
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| Vizay |
| onceler: well I guess it's another one of thoose cases where we'll see bigger improvements in the future. I mean the athlon 64 processors are already doing really well. Imagine when the first really good 64bits OS hits the market and programs like cubase start to utilize the new structure. That will def. be something to look forward too :) |
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| DJDIRTY |
Hi there. Like fiew of you mentioned here, when you buy a computer you really have to think before you buy one. The thing is your athlon64 will be absoleet in 2-2.5 years max, the technology seems to be picking up the pace lately, if you have a big wallet than you might be in the game of upgrading often.. But the thing is, new software will come, that will require more cpu power, more ram, more hd space. Every year a new version of cubase sx comes out and the recomended system specs go up. Yeah we get more features, but at a cost, of the app using more cpu and ram.
Depending how you will work you will eventually run out of cpu power on any computer, especially with some newer soft synths that sound good, but take up 50% of my 2.8 ghz Intel p4, as soon as I hit 4-6 notes. I know that I will be upgrading my system sometimes in the future like most of us here, and we will all have to adjust the way we work to accomodate for the "Not enough cpu power syndrome" It happens to everyone. Eaven guys with dual cpu's run out of power. That's why they have cards like Uad, and powercore, Protools, to help you overcome this problem to a certain degree. In order to run my sequencer the way I wanted it I would probaly have to have another 2-3ghz of power available to me, that way I woudn't have to freeze tracks, or bounce to audio.
One of my solutions is to run software/hardware setup, that way I keep the cpu running at 80% under real heavy projects, using Powercore DSP, and additional eq and vst effects. And using hardware synths, and recording them into audio at a later stage.. |
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