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US teens 'reject' key freedoms (pg. 2)
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| BadBadNeil |
| I think this study is a great example of, "you don't know what you got till it's gone". |
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| wolverine16 |
Thinking about thisa little more, I really have to say I disagree with Boortz's analysis, because it really only gives you exposure to something and that can have a positive or negative effect on your view. How many people have gone to Catholic school and hated the strictness or getting smacked with a ruler by nuns and aren't really as devout after graduation? Same thing with public schools, lots of kids don't have a good time there and if the argument is that their views of government are shaped by their participation in a government school, they may dislike government more.
As far as what Boortz says about what public schools teach about government, he's basically criticizing them for not teaching conservative ideology, but I'm not really sure where they teach liberal ideology either. What is taught in history and citizenship classes is patriotism and that the U.S. is a power of good throughout its existence, not that social security is the best thing since sliced bread. I'm kind of surprised by Boortz, because he's in favor of keeping "under God" in the pledge of allegiance, not removing the entire pledge from schools though it promotes government and patriotism. |
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| BadBadNeil |
I went to a catholic grade school. The biggest complaint we had was wearing uniforms and it was more strict than a high school ever could be but I would say that of all the people that went there, very few of the kids were devout catholics to begin with, many were just put there by parents who were seeking a higher form of education, not a way to mold their children into perfect little christians. I think many parents are afraid of the way the public schools have become, in our state with metal detectors, armed guards, police dogs, etc, hence even the influx in home schooling.
I can also feel with the second point about hating high school. I hated high school but not because of the government, but because it truly was a waste of my time that could have been better spent learning things that I would use later in life. What I recall though was very little taught about the government at all. Perhaps specific classes on domestic and foreign government would help them gain a better insight into the freedoms that they use everyday and that many people on this planet fight and die for every day. |
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| ShadoWolf |
people, people... settle down
Polls can be manipulated with biased questions. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by wolverine16
As far as what Boortz says about what public schools teach about government, he's basically criticizing them for not teaching conservative ideology, but I'm not really sure where they teach liberal ideology either. What is taught in history and citizenship classes is patriotism and that the U.S. is a power of good throughout its existence, not that social security is the best thing since sliced bread. I'm kind of surprised by Boortz, because he's in favor of keeping "under God" in the pledge of allegiance, not removing the entire pledge from schools though it promotes government and patriotism. |
Boortz is a libertarian. |
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| igottaknow |
| what does this article prove? 1/2 of high schoolers are dumb ignoramouses? i thought we already knew that? besides where do you think all the ppl who voted for bush come from? i bet if you polled them on whether they will re-elect him for a 3rd term they would have said yep. |
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| biodigit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Boortz is a libertarian. |
Puh-lease! and you know libertarians are none other than the republicans who like to smoke pot! ;) |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by biodigit
Puh-lease! and you know libertarians are none other than the republicans who like to smoke pot! ;) |
lol. Count me in! |
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| wolverine16 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Boortz is a libertarian. |
I didn't say Republican, I said conservative. It's a further to the right ideology than most Republicans. I've seen him criticize "left-wing education" numerous times and argue that the other side should be heard. I've also seen him with Sean Hannity discussing why the Pledge of Allegiance should be preserved as is, which has students in schools recite "and to the republic for which it stands." That's support for advocating government within schools. So maybe he's not as much of a libertarian as he claims to be? |
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| kush paintings |
| This survey was taken of highschool kids, the vast majority of which cannot vote and therefore do not contribute to our democratic process. A small, but key part of the article is the fact that the teachers interviewed were far more rational than the kids. They are more mature, hence you wouldn't find half of the teachers surveyed believe that the government should approve of articles written in newspapers, hence the lack of voting rights for the highschoolers. I am only one year removed from highschool and I must say that I am far more mature than I was a year ago. I don't hold the same stupid ass viewpoints I held in highschool, most of which were based primarily on absolutely nothing. The survey is foolish and shouldn't be paid much attention. If the same results did however come up for older age groups I might be frightened. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by kush paintings
This survey was taken of highschool kids, the vast majority of which cannot vote and therefore do not contribute to our democratic process. A small, but key part of the article is the fact that the teachers interviewed were far more rational than the kids. They are more mature, hence you wouldn't find half of the teachers surveyed believe that the government should approve of articles written in newspapers, hence the lack of voting rights for the highschoolers. I am only one year removed from highschool and I must say that I am far more mature than I was a year ago. I don't hold the same stupid ass viewpoints I held in highschool, most of which were based primarily on absolutely nothing. The survey is foolish and shouldn't be paid much attention. If the same results did however come up for older age groups I might be frightened. |
I see your point, but the kids are learning from somewhere. Hopefully they'll get a grip! |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
I read that yesterday. It made me want to smash someone's skull in. My forefathers died so that I can have the right to burn the damn flag if I want to.
I can't wait till we get government approved banging Techno music. |
Dang, let's not burn the flag!
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