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US National ID Card - Coming Soon (pg. 4)
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| Zild |
Yesterday, HB 418 the REAL ID Act was voted on and passed by the house 261-161. The bill calls for the Dept of Homeland Security to draft the regulations and must include either a magnetic strip or an RFID. All federal employees are to deny services w/o a proper ID.
Lets see how the Senate votes. |
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
And you're about what, 15 years old? Try asking your grandparents if they were able to roam about Poland and Lithuania so easily. |
You can check my age in my profile. And why are we talking about my grandparents ? are you trying to compare USA to a comunist country ? |
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| TheVrk |
Can u say 1984?:nervous:
This is just the first step toward the New World Order.
Good luck America, YOU voted for 'em:happy2: |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by stren
You can check my age in my profile. And why are we talking about my grandparents ? are you trying to compare USA to a comunist country ? |
It didn't seem like you understood, so I figured that you're grandparents might be able to clue you in on that thing called history. You know, that thing that it's best to try and understand so that we're not doomed to repeat it's mistakes.
Trotsky's financiers were for the most part American, so it doesn't take a great deal of intellect to figure out that those ideas have been established here for quite some time. America's very own Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) has it's roots in the Fabian Society, a Socialist debating group.
Anyway, I'm comparing ideologies - NOT countries. I figured that your grandparents would have told you a few stories in regards to the days of Fascism, but I guess I was wrong. |
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| TheVrk |
If i was American, u'd NEVER get me to get a radio-transmittable ID.
God i feel for ya (kinda) |
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| occrider |
Well in all liklihood an RFID id card would be passive as opposed to active, unless your id card is attached to some kind of power generator. So in a sense, unless there's an antenna transmitting from no farther than 5 meters away to induce an electrical current with a radio-frequency scan, the RFID sits there doing nothing. It's just like the ez pass system you use in your cars so you can pay tolls electroncally. It's really quite impractical for the governemnt to track your every movement with an RFID id card unless you think that they'll set up an ez pass scanning system on every street corner. Practically, the only areas I could conceivably imagine a systematic set up of scanners would be on borders. So my view is that I'm relatively unconcerned ... especially if the ID system is not mandatory.
Oddly enough, one of the leaders in the implementation of RFID technology is in fact ... Europe:
http://www.informationweek.com/show...icleID=57703000 |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Yesterday, HB 418 the REAL ID Act was voted on and passed by the house 261-161. The bill calls for the Dept of Homeland Security to draft the regulations and must include either a magnetic strip or an RFID. All federal employees are to deny services w/o a proper ID.
Lets see how the house votes. |
Read it would be tougher on the Senate though |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
It's saddening to think about how naive people really are. |
Not naive, just products of Pavlovian responses induced upon by electronic medium through enhanced diet.
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
But that license should read, "Tim Osman" :p |
How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.
Adolf Hitler
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Would you want to be forced to carry a national ID card when you travel in your own country that has a radio chip that lets the government know where you are? |
Pretty soon it will be sub-dermally implanted. By then in order for that to catch on there would have to be a worldwide disaster, such as a epidemic beyond the death tolls of war.
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
I don't know - if they could make a national id card a national driver's license card I think it'd be acceptable.
As long as the government doesn't force it on people its not a violation of their constitutional rights. |
It would take to humans better if there was a perceived problem of identifying people beyond that of normal conditions today.
| quote: | | Frankly I'd rather get a national id card then a state drivers license because I wouldn't have to take a test everytime I move to another state. |
Typical Pavlovian response. (No offense to you personally)
| quote: | | Its not like the US government doesn't have one massive database right now anyway that can piece together info on all the citizens. This step would just streamline I think interstate trade. |
Carnivore or any other computer dbase would have already been online. Don't forget the internet was actually the brainchild of DARPAnet, a secret military project from as early as the 1950's.
| quote: | | Ideally I'd be against it, but if its optional I think the economic benifits will defintely out way any privacy concerns. And the government won't be able to do much even with an optional national id system since there will always be people like Trance-X that won't use the system and keep the rest of us safe from governmen t by doing so. |
It's just a stepping stone to the next step.
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the average illegal immigrant is probably paying no taxes at all(since he/she would have no SSN and aren't registered with the government, paying taxes would amount to nothing less than a mea culpa). I think that represents a big part of the problem. |
Neither are the rich and famous paying their fair share. Also do you see the Bush twins holding any jobs at The Gap and MacDonalds?
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
And I don't disagree. My point was that to say that the average illegal immigrant is minding his business and paying taxes is a bit of a misrepresentation of the truth. 7% is better than nothing, but it absolutely pales in comparison when you look at it in the bigger picture of our total tax liability. |
And just who is liable for income tax? Answer this but looking in US Code 26 AKA the Tax Code or Internal Revenue Code.
| quote: | Originally posted by TheVrk
Can u say 1984?:nervous:
This is just the first step toward the New World Order.
Good luck America, YOU voted for 'em:happy2: |
If it were Kerry that would be President the country would still be under the same script for it's future.
All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players: they have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts, his acts being seven ages.
Shakespeare |
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| Fir3start3r |
To all those worried about the National ID card....no need...apparently Choicepoint will sell it to you... :nervous:
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Database giant gives access to fake firms
Consumer frustrated by notification
The letter urges consumers to check their credit reports for suspicious activity.
"We believe that several individuals, posing as legitimate business customers, recently committed fraud by claiming to have a lawful purpose for accessing information about individuals," it reads. "You should continue to check your credit reports frequently for the next year."
The two-page letter offers details on how to spot fraud, but no additional information about the incident, or what information may have actually been stolen.
"ChoicePoint has apologized for any inconvenience this incident may cause," said ChoicePoint spokesman Chuck Jones. "But ChoicePoint has no way of knowing whether anyone's personal information actually has been accessed," or used to commit identity theft, he added.
California consumer Elizabeth Rosen, who received the ChoicePoint letter Friday, was upset that the company only provided sketchy details about the incident to her.
"They gave a toll free number to call, but when I called, the person just read from a script ... they said disclosing too many details may hurt an ongoing investigation," Rosen said. "I'm not happy about this. I didn't even know who ChoicePoint was."
That reaction is common, according to Solove.
"Even though you might not have heard of ChoicePoint, they've heard of you. They are playing a role in your people's lives whether they know it or not," he said.
Privacy consultant Larry Ponemon, who operates the Ponemon Institute, said he was surprised criminals were able to pose as ChoicePoint clients.
"What really concerns me is when low-tech methods are used to gain access, than you really have problems," said. "Obviously this is very surprising, given that they are in the data business."
Jones said ChoicePoint had adjusted its procedures to "help protect against a repeat" of the incident.
Bob Sullivan is the author of Your Evil Twin: Behind the Identity Theft Epidemic.
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| Zild |
| I like the way you think ogvh5150. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Neither are the rich and famous paying their fair share. Also do you see the Bush twins holding any jobs at The Gap and McDonalds? |
So what do you think the "fair share" is for the rich? Typical diffusion of responsibility(no offense to you). |
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