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North Korea Says It Has Nuclear Weapons (pg. 2)
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by mto
That's the way i'm looking at this too. |
NOw, I finally get a f*cking sensible response. Thank you mto!
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| igottaknow |
I don't put too much weight in what you say. If the NK invaded SK (and we didn't have many troops stationed there) I'm not sure we could or would do anything about it. Even without the nukes we are in no position to launch a ground invasion especially now that we have our hands tied in iraq. Besides last time i heard there isn't any oil in SK.
The facts are pretty clear:
1. NK has nukes.
2. We sure as hell aren't going to get into a nuclear war with them.
Who knows if they would ever invade SK but they sure as hell aren't giving up their nukes. That's their only protection plan against us. You can tell the Bush administration has given up the hope of disarming them that's why they're pouring money into that lame pacific missle defense system that doesn't work. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I think you just aptly described blackmail...:nervous: |
Congtaulations! You have moved one step closer to understanding what N Korea is trying to do here ;) |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
Big picture as I posted in COR. Japan is not comfortable in being under the nK nuclear fan. They could rearm as a response to the real threat and pose a danger to the entire Pacific region. I'm sure they could produce nukes within a year capable of hitting a baseball diamond 1,500 miles away.
Japan will defend herself. The US is pulling troops out of South Korea. The brigade it deployed to Afghanistan will not return to Korea and the US may send the remaining 2ID manuever brigade elsewhere on a non-returning mission as part of an overall strategy of troop withdrawal. Kinda makes sense. We can put force on the ground fairly quickly these days and don't need an indigenous force suffering first strike blows from a nK attack. If the US would counterattack as a result of a nK offensive at the south, we could attack them directly by lodging offshore forces in the north where it would hurt them the most instead of attacking them from the south upwards against the layers of defensive barriers they have erected over the past 50 years.
Moreover, one step from nK south would trigger a full mob by US Forces and basically a world war.
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While you are most likely correct about Japan being able to whip a few nukes up quickly (their economy is so advanced its one of those that is capable to becoming a war economy just like that) and it is already buying/developing missile defences with America (tactical missile defence I think is what japan is interested in) and America would certainly become involved if N Korea attacked the South or Japan (lots of American money invested there no?)...under what circumstances do you think N Korea would actually strike at these two countries first? Pyongyang has repeatedly insisted that it would attack if the US bombed its nuclear sites, but this would therefore be in retaliation for an American strike, not an offensive act.
Also, why would a conflict there turn into a world war? China has assured N Korea it would get no help whatsoever from China in any conflict involving the US and Russia would not become involved so how would this be world war?? |
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| occrider |
| Don't worry, we'll take care of the situation in 2011 with some ghost force recon marines. I'm simulating the battles now ... :p |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Congtaulations! You have moved one step closer to understanding what N Korea is trying to do here ;) |
So where's ma f$R#@'n cookie damnit! :whip:
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
total bull statement. thet Pentagon knew three years ago they possesed at least 3-5 devices. |
When is everyone gonna realize that EVERYTHING
coming from the Pentagon is bull?
ALL THEY DO IS LIE:nervous: |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheVrk
When is everyone gonna realize that EVERYTHING
coming from the Pentagon is bull?
ALL THEY DO IS LIE:nervous: |
Not sure why you are saying the Pentagon was lying about N Korea's nuclear weapons? It has been widely aknowleged that N Korea has had nukes for years, but Pyongyang has never admitted to it until this week. It is widely accepted that Israel has nuclear weapons but I dont think they have ever admitted it either... |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Not sure why you are saying the Pentagon was lying about N Korea's nuclear weapons? It has been widely aknowleged that N Korea has had nukes for years, but Pyongyang has never admitted to it until this week. It is widely accepted that Israel has nuclear weapons but I dont think they have ever admitted it either... |
Pyongyang is the capital of NK, I think you meant to say Kim Jong Il. However I agree with your other posts.
Unfortunately, we always focus on the immediate crisis when we should be thinking of the root causes. In this case we are partly responsible for creating this mess by splitting Korea up and using it as a cold war proxy. Of course neocons would never concede that military build ups, sabre rattling, and war don't solve problems, they usually exhaserbate them. |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Not sure why you are saying the Pentagon was lying about N Korea's nuclear weapons? It has been widely aknowleged that N Korea has had nukes for years, but Pyongyang has never admitted to it until this week. It is widely accepted that Israel has nuclear weapons but I dont think they have ever admitted it either... |
You ARE right, but you should also know what i mean....
You cant really believe ANYTHING that is officially
stated by the Pentagon in its briefings or press conferences. |
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| ambient_dhol |
| We've known they've had nukes for years. We knew when they were starting to make them 5 or so years ago. They just never admitted it till now...Big deal. They need to be economically isolated from the rest of the world to put pressure on them to stop. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
Pyongyang is the capital of NK, I think you meant to say Kim Jong Il. However I agree with your other posts. |
Nope definately meant to say Pyongyang...like you would say "Washington does this" or "Brussels does that" meaning America or Europe ;)
| quote: | | Unfortunately, we always focus on the immediate crisis when we should be thinking of the root causes. In this case we are partly responsible for creating this mess by splitting Korea up and using it as a cold war proxy. Of course neocons would never concede that military build ups, sabre rattling, and war don't solve problems, they usually exhaserbate them. |
It is a very difficult situation to handle. I have recently done an essay which touched on this and basically there are three options...
1) Bomb the nuclear facilities - possible outcome - NK retaliates by attacking S Korea/Japan (and California if you believe the Taepo Dong-2 can reach it accurately, which I dont) but 1,000,000 will die in the 1st 24 hours if this scenario occurs
2) Economic sanctions - possible result - NK has said if this happens it will consider it an act of war and retaliate as above (altho this is less likely to occur under this scenario as whatever happens, if NK attacks SK/Japan, Kim's regime will be annhilated by the Americans)
3) Give NK the economic aid/security assurances they are after - definate result - we show every tinpot dictator in the world that you dont need to be in the NonProliferation regime and that the aquirement of nuclear weapons is a legitimate policy to meet whatever international objectives you have
So out of the 3, they all have possible downsides. I concluded 2 would be the best option as to show the world you cannot go unpunished for leaving the NPT and making nukes, plus I dont think NK will retaliate with just sanctions, but might do if nuke facilities were bombed |
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