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Do you agree cd is winning?
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| VoiDeT |
Hello all,
i was talking to this dj the other day about vinyl, and cd's, and what he thinks....(his from sydney australia, name is Dj Ta$K) but anyways we were talking and i asked him why he cd dj's, and he reckons that cd's are more polular than turntables....He says that 10% of clubs only use cd dexx......he also says that vinyl is about to die...and i know we have a lot of turntable lovers and vinyl enthusiests, so what do you have to say? i guess this is a cd Vs. Vinyl... But do you agree??
Me btw, i use turntables, i prefer the physical manouvering....
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| DJ LIQUID |
Thats just his opinion........when you think of a dj whats the first thing that comes to mind.........RECORDS/VINYL
Vinyl is #1 and will stay that way.....plus it would suck to have to wait till they press a track onto a cd when you can get it months ahead of time on Vinyl.
Vinyl = More Punch in the mix
of course thats my opinion:D
dont flame me because i have both Turntables and a cd deck |
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| VoiDeT |
Yea, well he wasn't saying it in his opinion, he was more of saying it in a fact kinda way. Nahh i ain't burning you for you have cd decks, i just bought some 1200's not so long ago, and for him to say that stuff really got me a little uneased, so yea, i got nothing against cd decks, but i prefer turntables far higher....thanx,
Anyone else got anymore comments |
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| Pjotr G |
Well for me I'd have to say cd's can't beat the "hands-on" feel of vinyl. But something more is going on.
Some people whine about CD sound being higher quality than vinyl sound. If you define quality as a lack of hiss..pops...i guess cd's are better.
WOOPS somebody forgot to mention WARMTH....and DYNAMICS. To my ears Vinyl sounds better "quality"....Pearl Jam only released some albums in the CD era on vinyl...because of the warmth...the analogue "feel"...they did not want it to be released on CD.
So maybe it's not CD versus Vinyl, but a dispute about "what is quality sound". About the same is going on in the hardware scene...
digital mixer vs analog mixer
digital synth vs analog synth
(CD = digital, vinyl = analog)
DIGITAL VS ANALOG
I'll take analog any time of the day |
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| RavingLunatic |
Vinyl is an analogue wave cut into a a piece of physical material. the needle actually travels up and down in waves, like a real sound wave.
CD is an approximation of that wav, using 1's and 0s, to make staircase pattern that resembles the original wave.
therefore vinyl is more true to the original sound, it has more dynamic range, and better high and low frequency response..
BUT
CD is clearer(no hiss, no pop, no wow and flutter), it never degrades in quality no matter how much you play it, and where there is silence, the speakers are SILENT(as long as all your audio equipment is working silently, which is rarely the case)
anyway... vinyl, CD, MP3, it's all just ways of bringing music to people.. DJing will never die, but technology will change..
that being said, I want what I got in my signature, plus 2 of them new pioneer CDJ1000s for CDs, and a pentium 4 2Ghz with 512mb ram for my mp3s. then I can use whatever I want!
soo... that's my $0.02
what's this about pearl jam only realeasing some albums on vinyl? which one? |
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| Eugene |
| No, I don't think vinyl and the vinyl culture will ever die, but I'm against people dissing CD's just because they think it's "not cool". |
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| DJTJ |
I guess it all depends on what equipment the music was actually produced on. If it was made using a computer, then CD is going to be the best medium because the computer samples at the same rate as a CD, and it is digital like a CD. If you put this onto vinyl you can only lose quality through converting it from analog to digital.
However, if it was created using analog synths, then you will lose far more sound quality from the conversion from analog to digital than you ever will leaving it as analog and pressing it to vinyl.
Apart from these technical issues, vinyl is just sooooooooooo much more fun to play with and looks a thousand times cooler! |
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| j_spot |
k, well here in calgary there are very few clubs that use vinyl. Most of the 'popular' clubs where u go to get pissed drunk used CDs, that is with some exception, but most clubs here do use CDs, and some of em just CD players, not even cd Decks..so if u just have CD players, and idiot can mix 2 songs.
Course mixing trance and mixing pop and rap and rock are completly different. Id like to see you beat match britney to AC/DC! soo....i dunno, I like vinyl, i think its more versatile,but with teh new cdj 1000, who knows.
FINAL SCRATCH is all I have to say...get it and youve got the best of every world out ther! |
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| Pjotr G |
| quote: | Originally posted by RavingLunatic
Vinyl is an analogue wave cut into a a piece of physical material. the needle actually travels up and down in waves, like a real sound wave.
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I'm sorry but this explanation is just ye olde bull. The vinyl groove does not resemble the actual wave as you would see it on an oscilloscope. What you refer to as "staircasing" also happens on vinyl...the needle goes over a very large number of very small bumps....yes...separate bumps...not one continuous flow. So you can't say analog is better becuz of physical reasons...actually it's mostly valued better because of trancendent reasons ("warmth") and where physics come in, CD wins the battle. Digital allows for more "bumps" per millisecond that you can press on vinyl. Digital also allows frequencies so high that when pressed on vinyl the groove would be too narrow for the needle to play. So....the reasons why you favor vinyl apply to CD.
PS dunno which pearl jam album i talked about
TO DJTJ: Have to disagree with you too....What you're saying is that dance music does not come to it's right on vinyl....that's right. Every complete studio setup has a sampler. They are oooften used in production believe me. Analog samplers don't exist...unless you call a mellotron a sampler, which i don't. I don't think there are many producers out there with a complete analog setup....everybody uses FX....who doesn't use digital delay? |
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| Synergy |
I agree with Pjotr G and RavingLunatic about the warmth of vinyl.
From a DJ standpoint, there is just something more compelling when spinning vinyl. It's like driving an automatic vehicle versus a standard. You definetely are in more control of the vehicle with a standard transmission.
IMO, Cd's cant touch vinyl |
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| DjPablo |
I think every DJ should use what he wants or is best in.
The people on the dancefloor won't hear if your using CD's or Vinyl.
I play both Vinyl and Cd's and both have their charmes.
It all started with the vinyl mixing and I think it will continue for a loong time.
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| RavingLunatic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pjotr G
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I'm sorry but this explanation is just ye olde bull. The vinyl groove does not resemble the actual wave as you would see it on an oscilloscope. What you refer to as "staircasing" also happens on vinyl...the needle goes over a very large number of very small bumps....yes...separate bumps...not one continuous flow. So you can't say analog is better becuz of physical reasons...actually it's mostly valued better because of trancendent reasons ("warmth") and where physics come in, CD wins the battle. Digital allows for more "bumps" per millisecond that you can press on vinyl. Digital also allows frequencies so high that when pressed on vinyl the groove would be too narrow for the needle to play. So....the reasons why you favor vinyl apply to CD.
PS dunno which pearl jam album i talked about
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Are you sure Pjotr G? I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that a soundwave is cut into a vinyl, not an encoded stream of 1's and 0s like a CD. why else can I hear the record without the deck even plugged into a mixer or amplifier? The simple needle riding in that groove makes a sound. but yes, you are right, even vinyl is limited, the wave can only be as precise as one molecule of vinyl, or PVC as someone else called it.
everything is a series of small bumps, even a molecule of water is not smooth, it's made up of 3 atoms!
I have heard that there is something called the RIAA curve, which is a slight distortion of the signal, so that you have to put the output into phono plugs instead of line ones.. this is supposedly something the RIAA did to protect copyright..
and I'm pretty sure vinyl is capable of higher and lower frequencies than CD. 44khz means that the highest frequency that can be reproduced is roughly half of that, or 22khz. most people can't hear over 20khz though, so it doesn't matter much. but I think good quality vinyl, with a tech 12 and a super accurate diamond tipped needle is capable of producing higher sounds than 22khz.. I welcome you to prove me wrong. |
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