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Short sighted Pit Bull ban about to pass (pg. 4)
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
almost as bad as the gunshot comment :eyespop:
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aaah...nooooooo....they won't die if you plug 'em with multiple rounds....Did you NOT see that the cops had to open up on those 2 pits that attacked a guy walking them last year??? It was in all the papers |
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| Jayx1 |
So you are telling me that this doesnt hold true with golden retrievers? My aunt's dog Lad would probably have to be shot multiple times as well.
Sorry but this gunshot arguement is weak.
Besides you already confirmed what i have been saying all a long. That this is nothing but kneejerk legislation. So why are you still arguing? |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by jdjd
How ridiculous is it that someone gets attacked by a vicious breed and still says they belong on the street? I'll put all my money on the fact that she's a dog owner herself. These owners value dogs like they're better than their own kids. They can get their arm taken off and still be kissing their dogs ass "oh the poor thing doesn't know any better".
I've been waiting for them to ban pitbulls for a long time, hopefully german shepherds are next. No ing around with muzzle and leash laws that nobody obeys while little kids get mauled and killed. Good job guys. |
In your world I guess it must be ridiculous to believe in reason as opposed to biased prejudice. Personally I would like to see them start banning people from breeding for attacking or killing, or atleast put muzzles on idiots before they start speaking.
Looks like you just lost all your money as well. |
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Thank you for confirming what I have been saying all along ;) |
That you're a Liberal:crazy: ? |
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
So you are telling me that this doesnt hold true with golden retrievers? My aunt's dog Lad would probably have to be shot multiple times as well.
Sorry but this gunshot arguement is weak.
Besides you already confirmed what i have been saying all a long. That this is nothing but kneejerk legislation. So why are you still arguing? |
When was the last time that you've heard of a Golden Retriever killing someone or turning on its owner or attacking a kid???
Dude you don't read/understand the posts you write...YOU said that "we should ban all breeds then"...THATS what a kneejerk reaction is...MAN you contradict yourself on SOO many levels its not funny....
actually it is :haha: :haha: |
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| crazedcanuck |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobbyG.
And another thing...I don't trust humans when it comes to how they handle dogs in general...MOST dogs are not trained properly by their owners.I often see the dog WALKING the owner instead of the other way around. |
So why not sweeping legislation to cover all dog owners?
Focusing on Pitbulls, which is simply a general term cover a ton of similar looking breeds, is pure folley, and isn't going to solve anything.
I've had 3 attacks involving members of my family. The dog that attacked my little sister was a cocker spaniel, and the two dogs that attacked my dad years ago were golden retrievers.
The one that attacked my sister ripped her lips right off her face. luckily she was 6 and surgery reattached them without any noticeable scarring today.
These two breeds are hunting breeds, and as domesticated as they are, are just as inclined to violence as any other breed, if not moreso.
Don't pick on one segment of the population, demand responsibility from all dog owners. It's the only way to change the culture of irresponsibility regarding dog ownership. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobbyG.
When was the last time that you've heard of a Golden Retriever killing someone or turning on its owner or attacking a kid??? |
You dont because its not media sexy. However its obviously documented that they do. I dont base my feelings solely on how much they report something in the news. Why is it that pitbulls have been around for a century and suddenly it has become a problem now? I suspect the only thing that has changed is perception which is stoked solely by overly frequent media coverage.
Maybe in 10 years on a slow news day we WILL hear about golden retrievers on a daily basis.
| quote: | Dude you don't read/understand the posts you write...YOU said that "we should ban all breeds then"...THATS what a kneejerk reaction is...MAN you contradict yourself on SOO many levels its not funny....
actually it is :haha: :haha: |
You dont understand the concept of sarcasm. And that lack of understanding led you to contridict my sarcasm thereby resulting in you agreeing with me. :eek: |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobbyG.
When was the last time that you've heard of a Golden Retriever killing someone or turning on its owner or attacking a kid???
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Answer: about 5 seconds ago
| quote: | | I've had 3 attacks involving members of my family. The dog that attacked my little sister was a cocker spaniel, and the two dogs that attacked my dad years ago were golden retrievers. |
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| loca |
It's not just about that. If we're going to go into facts about other breeds i can tell you right now that Rottweilers are just as dangerous as PitBulls. Not only that but according to this CBC study, the most common biters are:
- german shepherds
- cocker spaniels
- rottweilers
- golden retrievers
Now don't tell me you're all for banning those dogs too are you?
We also have to take into consideration the fact that once we start with this type of ban, where are we going to stop?
In this article Sandra Always, the president of the Golden Horseshoe American Pit Bull Terrier Club, makes this valid point:
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"A dog needs responsible ownership regardless of breed," she told CBC Radio. "You train it, you contain and you socialize it. If you ban these guys, what's next? Italy started with a banned list of 13 breeds. They're up to over 40 now. They just banned Welsh Corgis!"
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I don't believe that when this ban goes through it will stop at pitbulls. That's my main problem with it, and the main reason why i do not support any sort of ban on one particular breed of animal. Next thing you know, the only place we'll be able to see certain breeds of dogs will be at the zoo.
As for Golden Retriever attacks... have a look at this one:
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During the first year of YGRR's operation, YGRR directors had the tragic experience of taking responsibility for a seven month-old Rescue Golden who severely injured a child, resulting in hundreds of facial stitches, facial paralysis and hospitalization. The dog, who had been given up because he growled when children approached his food dish and had "nipped" several times, was carefully evaluated for YGRR by a very experienced breeder, veterinary technician and obedience instructor. After two months of evaluation and training, the dog had shown no signs of aggression and we placed him in a home with no children.
His new owner continued obedience training with him and he was a star pupil. She called often to tell us of his progress. On the fateful day, he went with his owner to a family gathering. He spent the day surrounded by children and adults and enjoyed playing with everyone. That night, as he sat next to his owner at the dinner table, her nephew (a toddler of three) bumped against him. The Golden turned and viciously attacked the child. It took several adults to pull the dog off the child, but not before a great deal of damage had been done.
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | | I don't believe that when this ban goes through it will stop at pitbulls. That's my main problem with it, and the main reason why i do not support any sort of ban on one particular breed of animal. |
This is why im over cautious about ANY type of ban that is introduced. Because experience shows that it never stops. |
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| loca |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
This is why im over cautious about ANY type of ban that is introduced. Because experience shows that it never stops. |
I wholeheartedly agree with your point :D |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
So you are telling me that this doesnt hold true with golden retrievers? My aunt's dog Lad would probably have to be shot multiple times as well.
Sorry but this gunshot arguement is weak.
Besides you already confirmed what i have been saying all a long. That this is nothing but kneejerk legislation. So why are you still arguing? |
no...it does not hold true for golden retreivers...you liked to bring up what the experts say...maybe you should research what many say is a UNIQUE characteristic of some pit bulls...as I said before:
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
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most dogs that bite don't maul and kill...certain "pit bull" varieties do...some experts say it's how their brain works...they go into a permanent attack mode that can't be halted, even by multiple gunshot wounds...great!
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some experts say pit bulls are incapable of halting an attack...this is NOT true of other dogs. That makes them unique...and arguably worthy of unique legislation.
again...THIS IS NOT ABOUT DOGS THAT *BITE*...it's about dogs who can't stop once they start. |
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