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Too much vocal Trance?????
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| FSUares |
I just recently got my setup and have been spinning for a couple of weeks. The first few records I bought are my favorite trance songs. However, as I have been spinning I realized that I am mixing alot of tracks that have long vocal parts ie. (Oceanlab-Satellite, Motercycle-As the Rush Comes, Tiesto-Just Be,etc.) While listening to my set I realized that there are so many parts of songs with no bass lines. And I think: someone would probibly have a hard time dancing to what I am spinning. So is there such a thing as a set with too many vocal tracks? What is the best way to fix my problem? If this makes sense at all please give any suggestions.
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| Boomer187 |
thats a good suggestion to not put em all together, but if you've built up the crowd enough and the songs are sweet enough, you can put vocal after vocal after vocal after vocal, each with huge breakdowns and they will go nuts.
this is the fun part of being a dj, you decide how your track flow will go, ;) |
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| Axolotyl |
I've heard sets by Djs that are totally vocal and it gets old pretty quick. I dont think its the vocals that are lame so much as the constant buildups and long sections of singing without much percussion. Its nice to listen to but when your out at a club you really just want something to dance to.
Having said that, theres nothing like a good vocal number dropped at the right point. Just dont build an entire set out of them ;) |
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| zizack |
| playing trance vocals back to back to back gets weird for a number of reasons...one of them being that the lyrics can have totally contradicting themes. I remember Armin spun at Arc two years ago and drooped yet Another Day and PVD's Time of Our lIves back to back and it was weird...goign from a depressing kind of song to an all out happy one. The lyrics amd just general moods of the songs clashed and it messed up his flow. |
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| jusware |
I agree with Nuo. I wouldn't put vocal tracks back to back. In fact I only spin a few vocal tracks in a set and spaced out. To build upon some of the other replies, a set is supposed to be like a book or a movie. It has a beginning (minimul buildup sustained), builds up tempo with a few plot twists(main elements of your set), has an emotional climax (progressive buildup followed by a climax) and then comes to a finish (sustained climax wound down to a close). Here is my formula..
Opening track - something slightly lower tempo than normal and minimul, Second track - filler expanding on the first (minimul, but not as minimul as the first), third and fourth - deep and dark, fifth and sixth - dark and techy, seventh - vocal with energy and buildup, eighth - progressive buildup, ninth and tenth - sustain the buildup, eleventh - killer vocal, sustain for a few records and then build down to a close.
Obviously this formula could be extended to make a longer set. I hope this makes sense. |
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| Zild |
| I love trance but I hate DJs and their sets if they use more than about 2 or 3 vocal tracks. The worst though is someone mixing in a vocal track and the vocals are out of key. I hate that . |
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| Sunnyside |
| Answer - don't spin gay vocal trance! ;) |
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| FSUares |
I wasn't aware that vocal trance was specifically for homosexuals.
Thanks for everyone else's pointers. The comments gave me a better understanding of how to build up a good set using some of my vocal tracks. Now I know to avoid track selections that would play back to back songs with contrasting lyrics or diferent keyed lyrics.
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| Steve Stephano |
Assuming from your earlier post that you don't own a great deal of vinyl, bear in mind too that as you build up your collection it will be easier to make a selection based on how you are forming your sets. When people first start buying vinyl, they inevitably buy the songs they know best. :)
Just pay a thought when your buying vinyl how it will fit with your other vinyl to create a workable set. |
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| Sunnyside |
| quote: | Originally posted by FSUares
I wasn't aware that vocal trance was specifically for homosexuals.
Thanks for everyone else's pointers. The comments gave me a better understanding of how to build up a good set using some of my vocal tracks. Now I know to avoid track selections that would play back to back songs with contrasting lyrics or diferent keyed lyrics.
Cheers |
Sorry mate, couldn't help myself! |
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| bass.exe |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunnyside
Answer - don't spin gay vocal trance! ;) |
a la DJ Doboy :tongue2
If u want to hear a DJ who drops 60mins of cheese vocals one after the other, he is ur man. |
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| rturn214 |
My theory on set building (Assuming you're spinning for 1 hour or more):
1. Start things off with some deep proggy house/breaks/trance, usually around 128-130 BPM (Approximations, if I use beat counters when I mix it just s me up.)
2. After the first couple of tracks I like to gauge where I want to go with the set i.e. if I'm warming someone up I keep it deep and dirty, usually try not to pick things up to far, maybe even keep things around 130-132. But if I'm that quote "Main Attraction" (Not really, but you guys know what I mean.) I'll try to pick things up and get the crowd moving a little more, maybe slowly work things up to around 137-140 BPM, but still try to just keep a constant progression going without too much of a tension/release situation going on just yet.
3. Once I've got things up around the speed of your average vocal (Or even just a random "Epic" instrumental a la "Cloudwalking" & "The Search For Freedom") I'll try to pick my spot and just crank out some serious trance for a track or two, bring it back down, and just try to work back and forth without finding myself too locked into the "trance" mode.
I think it's when DJ's work up to this point and then just assault the crowd with track after track of vocal/epic trance that people just get tired of dealing with; it's all about striking a balance in your sets. If it helps, here's an example of how I may build something up at the end of a set after working up to around 135 BPM:
1. Underworld - Two Months Off
2. Dot Allison - We're Only Science
3. Endre - Kallocain (Robert Nickson Remix)
4. Ferry Corsten - Right of Way
5. Pulser - Cloudwalking (Beat Pursuit Remix)
I know there aren't really any "Vocal" tracks in there, but I think what you're getting at holds true for a lot of trance, at least for me. I really like to throw those classics from time to time, but it's got to be just right otherwise you just sound like the EDM version of a top 40's DJ.
I hope that made sense to someone somewhere, and if it didn't help at all, I'm sorry you just wasted your time reading it :D .
Peace, Cheers,
RJT |
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