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Negroponte as US Intel Chief? Yay or Nay?
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| Spacey Orange |
i' don't know much about him other than that he was UN amb, iraq amb, and amb in honduras when there were death squads (though he claimed that he had no knowledge of that). he also was involved in the iran-contra conspiracy.
what does everyone think about his nomination? |
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| NeoPhono |
Don't know much about him either.
He does have a cool last name for an intel head. It means "black bridge." |
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| Q5echo |
before we, (yall) crucify him for whatever reasons, you must put this office in perspective in terms of responsibilities and time frams. this office is not only brand new and without precedent, it is a hugely crucial political manifest that was created out of a lot of political pressure. as intel director his job will be to not only homologate the many independent sources of inteligence we have around the world. these sources will remain independent i.e. the CIA director will still head the CIA the FBI director will still head the FBI ect., he will have to stand it up from scratch. the catch 22 is he/she will control the budgets of said agencies. thats an entirely different debate altogether. lastly, he will only be there until the next election so what does it really matter?
so...yay. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
i' don't know much about him other than that he was UN amb, iraq amb, and amb in honduras when there were death squads (though he claimed that he had no knowledge of that). he also was involved in the iran-contra conspiracy.
what does everyone think about his nomination? |
Pretty much the same way I think of philandering Kerik, torture-happy Gonzales, "yes-woman" perjurer Rice, and Mr. Porter Partisan-as-hell Goss -
I don't think much of him at all.
Then again, it seems like you can't get a cabinet position in this Administration UNLESS you have, in fact, been involved with Iran-Contra somehow. I'm just waiting for Rummy to be replaced by Ollie North soon.
And his Honduran death-squad support should speak volumes, but then again we're talking about an Administration with a 5 second memory. So he's golden as far as Bush is concerned. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
before we, (yall) crucify him for whatever reasons, you must put this office in perspective in terms of responsibilities and time frams. this office is not only brand new and without precedent, it is a hugely crucial political manifest that was created out of a lot of political pressure. as intel director his job will be to not only homologate the many independent sources of inteligence we have around the world. these sources will remain independent i.e. the CIA director will still head the CIA the FBI director will still head the FBI ect., he will have to stand it up from scratch. the catch 22 is he/she will control the budgets of said agencies. thats an entirely different debate altogether. |
The question is whether or not he's truly independent enough. Given Bush's propensity to surround himself by "yes"-men and women, I'm skeptical.
| quote: | lastly, he will only be there until the next election so what does it really matter?
so...yay. |
Given how far we've moved on the foreign intelligence front (either forward or backward depending on your point of view I suppose), I'd say 4 years of being in charge makes a pretty big difference indeed. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
He really is an interesting fella:
| quote: | A dangerous truth confronted John Dimitri Negroponte as he prepared to take over as U.S. ambassador to Honduras late in 1981.
The military in Honduras -- the country from which the Reagan administration had decided to run the battle for democracy in Central America -- was kidnapping and murdering its own citizens.
"GOH [Government of Honduras] security forces have begun to resort to extralegal tactics -- disappearances and, apparently, physical eliminations ` to control a perceived subversive threat," Negroponte was told in a secret briefing book prepared by the embassy staff.
The assertion was true, and there was worse to come.
Time and again during his tour of duty in Honduras from 1981 to 1985, Negroponte was confronted with evidence that a Honduran army intelligence unit, trained by the CIA, was stalking, kidnapping, torturing and killing suspected subversives.
A 14-month investigation by The Sun, which included interviews with U.S. and Honduran officials who could not have spoken freely at the time, shows that Negroponte learned from numerous sources about the crimes of the unit called Battalion 316.
The Honduran press was full of reports about military abuses, including hundreds of newspaper stories in 1982 alone. There were also direct pleas from Honduran officials to U.S. officials, including Negroponte.
A disgruntled former Honduran intelligence chief publicly denounced Battalion 316. Relatives of the battalion's victims demonstrated in the streets and appealed to U.S. officials for intervention, including once in an open letter to President Reagan's presidential envoy to Central America.
Rick Chidester, then a junior political officer in the U.S. Embassy in Tegucigalpa, told The Sun that he compiled substantial evidence of abuses by the Honduran military in 1982, but was ordered to delete most of it from the annual human rights report prepared for the State Department to deliver to Congress.
Those reports consistently misled Congress and the public.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/lo...0,2326054.story |
Result:
HIRE HIM! He's more than qualified for this Administration!
Woohoo!!!:D |
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| ogvh5150 |
John Negroponte was ambassador to Honduras from 1981-1985. As such he supported and carried out a US-sponsored policy of violations to human rights and international law. Among other things he supervised the creation of the El Aguacate air base, where the US trained Nicaraguan Contras during the 1980's. The base was used as a secret detention and torture center, in August 2001 excavations at the base discovered the first of the corpses of the 185 people, including two Americans, who are thought to have been killed and buried at this base.
During his ambassadorship, human rights violations in Honduras became systematic. The infamous Battalion 316, trained by the CIA and Argentine military, kidnaped, tortured and killed hundreds of people. Negroponte knew about these human rights violations and yet continued to collaborate with them, while lying to Congress.
President George W. Bush has nominated Negroponte to be US ambassador before the UN. Human Rights organizations in the US and Latin America have joined their voices in asking the US Senate to not ratify his nomination. Please join us!
John Dimitri Negroponte (derechos.org)
Bush's last controversial act in office was his pardon of six former government employees implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal on December 24, 1992, most prominently former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and former US Ambassador to Honduras and to the United Nations and current US Ambassador to Iraq, John Negroponte.
George H. W. Bush ("Poppy" on wiki)
The CIA has ties to Iran-Contra as well.
All the worlds a stage.
Shakespeare |
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| Spacey Orange |
| given what he's allegedly done, mr. negroponte doesn't seem to be an ethical or lawful public servant. undoubtedly, the dems will roll over on this nomination too and he will get confirmed by a large majority. yipee:rolleyes: |
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| ierxium |
Negroponte? :haha:
That's a funny last name. I laugh every time I see or hear it.
Torturador y verdugo, that says something about the person.
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
Yay or Nay? |
Ummm Ni ...
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Negroponte?
That's a funny last name. I laugh every time I see or hear it.
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That's african-americanponte to all you white people. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Ummm Ni ...
That's african-americanponte to all you white people. |
Somebody should sue that guy for having a politically incorrect name :) |
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| ierxium |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
That's african-americanponte to all you white people. |
My perverted Spanish would translate it to "bend over black man" or something around those lines.
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