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Armin Van Buuren 'Sound' (pg. 4)
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| A83 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pippins
Guys.. guys... guys !!!
Here are the details and my experience, that I'd like to share.
The highest digital sound quality, that comes closest to analog (like listening to a Vinyl record, for e.g.) would be highest bit rate (24bit + )possible, but at a sampling rate of 192KHZ. A sampling rate is an important factor here. That is why, a DVD-Audio sounds way better then listening to a CD. No matter how you try, you can't have, any higher than a 44KHZ/16 bit sampling rate. Hence, a DVD-Audio comes closer to a Vinyl sound.
I myself am always performing with digital files. When recording in my studio (I do create my own mixes from scratch) I am using REASON 2.5, And SoundForge and some touches my Acid 5 VST effects. When I'm actually performing live, I'm playing all my tracks in a 24-bit, 192 KHZ uncompressed WAV files ( I have a Windows laptop). And beleive me guys, you can **feel** the difference in music.. When performing at a large club, with over 40dB of sound, MP3 sounds like **** :rolleyes: . I have completely dumped any Mp3 files, while mixing, or performing.
So, to get a good sound quality, like the example in the first posting, the first thing to do, is forget mixing on compressed files. Either rip your originals from CD or Vinyls in WAV format, bring it on to Reason, or ABLETON LIVE (I use this extensively) or any other sequencing software. SoundForge would open this file in 24 bit, and then add your VST effect there itself.
And then *feel** the music.
I use Ableton LIVE for performing, and some of the tricks I learned.. beleive me... sometimes is not even possible with records.
Cheers!
DJ_Pippins |
Why don't you download this plugin and try it out and see how it sounds. I think you'd be suprised |
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| fr3sh |
| Alright.... lets settle this once and for all... what is the absolute BEST way to record a mix, in what format, with what software/hardware and with what 'effects'? |
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| DannyO |
| quote: | Originally posted by fr3sh
Alright.... lets settle this once and for all... what is the absolute BEST way to record a mix, in what format, with what software/hardware and with what 'effects'? |
I would say record it in Wave format, with a VERY GOOD soundcard, using Either Total Recorder or Sound Forge, and don't add ANY effects to it, keep an original sound copy and just use effect processors after. |
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| DJFreaq |
"easy"
high quality digital in (24bit/96khz)
know what you're doing with equalization
and fantastic compression
the question is of course if you can do all that, and if you have the means (hardware/software) of doing all that. |
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| A83 |
Record 24bit 96khz save as wav
after, put the FM Compression thing on it :crazy: |
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| DJFreaq |
| quote: | Originally posted by DannyO
I would say record it in Wave format, with a VERY GOOD soundcard, using Either Total Recorder or Sound Forge, and don't add ANY effects to it, keep an original sound copy and just use effect processors after. |
Word, wav is the WAY to go, and don't mess with doing effects during the mix.
When I record a session, i ALWAYS have my originals untainted by equalization and effects (compression and limiting and gating is a different story, sometimes that has to be done live, but for a dj mix, pssshhawww, keep a fantastic original)
<3 dannyo |
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| fr3sh |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJFreaq
the question is of course if you can do all that, and if you have the means (hardware/software) of doing all that. |
so hardware/software is the best or good enough to be great?
so far im hearing sound forge, total recorder, ableton live....
anymore... and which is preferred? |
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| DJFreaq |
well ideally, thousand dollar compressors etc. ARE going to give you a better sound than a plug in for DAW program.
it depends on how much work you put into.
Honestly? For recording mixex (if i were to mix a set, but to be honest I am a terrilbe DJ right now) I would use my Audiophile USB, which (even though it's ty for playing/recording at the same time since USB can't stream both ways) record at 24/96 into Adobe Audition 1.5 than save.
I'd do all my other eqing and compression later.
Help any?
I dunno, maybe I'm just stonded :rolleyes: |
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| DJFreaq |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
100% analog from needle to recording medium, analog tape, everything.
Run the tape through a battery of whatever you want done to it and then press it to a series of LP's, or if you want to goto the digital route for distrobution (I bet you would) use SACD, with 100% untouched analog signal all the way up to the first A/D bank in the SACD recorder. |
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| fr3sh |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
100% analog from needle to recording medium, analog tape, everything.
Run the tape through a battery of whatever you want done to it and then press it to a series of LP's, or if you want to goto the digital route for distrobution (I bet you would) use SACD, with 100% untouched analog signal all the way up to the first A/D bank in the SACD recorder. |
link to what this looks like and where it can be bought?... i will admit i am new to all of this and what you just said was not as clear to me as it would be to others...
I want to record my mixes from my 1200's onto the computer in great if not the best quality... and i should be recording off of my mixer right>?... im hearing...NOT to record off the turntables directly |
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| fr3sh |
| lol.... im just obsessed with quality... arg... oh well i guess i will have to make due by my non record label owning self |
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| DJFreaq |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Haha, unless you have thousands and thousands of dollars and own a large record label, this is probably the leest posible solution.
Look around for analog reel to reel recorders and analog compressors (preferably tube compressors).
I think Sony/Philips is only letting the major labels press to SACD now, and the license fees are insane. Not to mention you cant buy the master burners with out written consent to use the technology from Sony/Philips. |
DUDE, man i wish i had thousands of dollars. but i do have access to R2R recorders and loads of analog compressors ;) ;) ;)
gawd though, analog tape sounds glorious, digital is accurate, but harsh and cold, analog is sweet sweet warm bliss |
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