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| drgoodvibe |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
the best part was how the media whined when Harper pretty much ignored them. They were trying to say that if you dont kiss the media's ass they will make you look bad. This is exactly why i dont let the media decide my politics for me. |
I thought it was interesting how the media butchered Harper/Torys on the Child porn statement and the video by Ron White (Tory - Justice Critic).
I was actually a bit shocked by the statements White made, I had never heard them. I consider myself fairly centered when it comes to polics depending issue to issue, but the statements he was making was a bit apalling. |
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| TrueToTheCrew |
Liberal Gov't = Comunism with a choice.
TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT IN OUR LIVES... |
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| Jayx1 |
| There were quite a few quips that were controversial from Liberal backbenchers too. The difference was solely the amount of media coverage on both parties. There is no doubt that Canadian media was biased on the side of the Liberals. When the Liberals made gaffes it was on the 18th page but when it was a Conservative it was front page headlines. |
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| drgoodvibe |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
There were quite a few quips that were controversial from Liberal backbenchers too. The difference was solely the amount of media coverage on both parties. There is no doubt that Canadian media was biased on the side of the Liberals. When the Liberals made gaffes it was on the 18th page but when it was a Conservative it was front page headlines. |
I think so too, but remember fear mongering gets headlines. Ultra conservative views are generally not well liked by Canada.
I actually miss the Prog Conservatives :confused: |
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| amb_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
The Liberals will never change anything as long as they are in power because it works well for them.
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In reality, it's working horribly for them, and it has since Chrétien lost his position as "friendly dictator" when the Martin camp emerged, before the election. Liberal cohesiveness has been shattered and there's really no hope in sight for them, given the current organisational climate. Sorry, "Mr. Dithers".
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
The Lieberals would never agree to democratic reform... |
Unfortunately real democratic reform (changes to representation, constitution, distribution of executive powers) can only happen when all parties represented in government can agree to the changes. This is not a question with who holds control in parliament but is a question of a leader who can instill non-partisan co-operation across the board. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I honestly don't think there's any political figure in the current landscape that offers that sort of possibility. If I'm wrong in this assertion, I would love to hear why... |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by drgoodvibe
I thought it was interesting how the media butchered Harper/Torys on the Child porn statement and the video by Ron White (Tory - Justice Critic).
I was actually a bit shocked by the statements White made, I had never heard them. I consider myself fairly centered when it comes to polics depending issue to issue, but the statements he was making was a bit apalling. |
You mean Randy White?
Here's what he said: from the LIEBERAL PARTY website no less:
http://www.liberal.ca/news_e.aspx?type=news&news=837
| quote: | Conservative Party Wants to Redefine Charter of Rights and Freedoms and Limit Judiciary’s Role
June 25, 2004
An Alliance-Conservative government would redefine the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and use the Notwithstanding Clause to overturn any judicial decision it did not agree with, such as abortion, says one of the Conservative Party’s most prominent members.
“If the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is going to be used as the crutch to carry forward all of the issues that social libertarians want, then there’s got to be for us conservatives out there a way to put checks and balances in there,” BC Alliance-Conservative MP Randy White said in an interview May 19th, 2004, four days before the federal election was called.
“I think you’ll see more uses for the Notwithstanding Clause in the future,” he said. “I think you’ll even see that redefined as the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and Responsibilities, which is really needed for an amendment.”
Alliance-Conservative leader Stephen Harper made the same point in an interview in today’s Vancouver Province, “I think the reality with the Charter is that we can always look at a constitutional amendment.”
White, who made his comments in an interview for Alexis Mackintosh’s documentary film “Let No One Put Asunder,” is currently Stephen Harper’s special advisor on health and the drug review agency.
He was also the founding Justice critic of the Reform Party, a former House leader for the Alliance Party, and was elected the party’s caucus chair in June 2001.
During the interview, White said an Alliance-Conservative government would exercise the judicial override “not just [for] the definition of marriage, but I think, you’ll see more uses for the Notwithstanding Clause in the future.”
In this context, White, a self-professed pro-life advocate, said a woman’s right to choose was a cause championed by activist judges seeking to “make a name” for themselves.
“That’s one rotten, hellish way to run a country’s moral and social society,” he said. “I think people have to start drawing lines on these judges out there…I’m sick of all that.”
He also launched a withering attack on Canada’s judiciary and made clear the judiciary’s role would be limited under an Alliance-Conservative government.
“Well, the heck with the courts, eh,” White said. “We in this country are going to stand up and say, ‘The politicians make the laws and the courts do not.’ The courts interpret the law. And, if we don’t like the interpretation, there’s the Notwithstanding Clause in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.” 
“I think most people are getting sick and tired of judges writing the law to suit themselves and to suit the current Liberal Government,” he added.
White said an Alliance-Conservative government would not hesitate to use the Notwithstanding Clause to overrule any judicial decision it did not support.
“I believe we’ll see that with us in the House of Commons, because enough is enough of this stuff. We are not going to be legislated by judges in the country, nor should we be,” he said.
White, a strong supporter of Harper’s leadership bid, said in a press release earlier this year that “the issues I have fought to implement in Canadian society…are all supported by Stephen Harper. He will make changes that benefit us all.”
White also vigorously defended Harper’s recent decision not to apologize for a press release suggesting Prime Minister Martin supported child pornography:
“There’s nothing to apologize for” he told the Abbotsford Times on June 22, 2004.
To watch the full interview with Randy White, please use the following link:
mms://66.46.213.202/archives/randy_white_interview.wmv |
EVERYTHING HE SAID IS ABSOLUTLY TRUE!!!
Remember, the PM appoints the Supreme Court justices without any check on his power. He also appoints many provincial court judges, again, without any check on his power to do so.
The Charter is un-Canadian, and is the worst legacy of the worst PM in history.
It's about time that Canadians wake up and stand up for democracy in this country. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | | Alliance-Conservative leader Stephen Harper |
Funny, but I dont recall any party called the "alliance-conservatives" ever running for election in Canada.
Could this be the biased media that i was talking about earlier? |
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| colonelcrisp |
first off if the alliance conservative NAZIS ever get voted into power. ill move out of this country.
The Government has no place in the bedroom, or telling me what is moraly and socialy accpetable. its the governmetns roll to put in place legeslation to assure the health, safety and wellbeing of its people, not to dictate every detail about their private lives.
since when does gay marriages affect heterosexual couples?
since when does a women's right to choose affect anyone else?
i agree that the charter of rights and freedoms needs ammending and alot of work, its a bandaid legeslation designed to force people to be un prejudiced, but it causes prejudice agains the non minority.
if it was up to harper and his alliance - conservative party, all our non white christian citizens would be thrown in box cars and sent off to camps, and only blond haired blue eyed white hetero couples would be allowed to live in this country.
Lorrie Goldstein can take her biased nazi conservative viewpoints and shove them right up her ass....
WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO DICTATE HOW PEOPLE MAKE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT THEIR LIVES. |
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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
i dont think the conservatives would waste our money like the liberals have.
Its time to change the regime. This Liberal govt is stale and corrupt. |
Ya that 5 billion dollar defecit the ontario tories accumulated in ontario was a brilliant example of conservative fiscal management.
Whatever the convervatives when they changed the riens provided a defiect to the next party close to what the NDP gave the tories when they took power. Moreover the NDP amounted thier defecit through spending in time of recession where as the tories created a defecit through cutting back in a economic boom.
Figure that one out? |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
first off if the alliance conservative NAZIS ever get voted into power. ill move out of this country.
The Government has no place in the bedroom, or telling me what is moraly and socialy accpetable. its the governmetns roll to put in place legeslation to assure the health, safety and wellbeing of its people, not to dictate every detail about their private lives.
since when does gay marriages affect heterosexual couples?
since when does a women's right to choose affect anyone else?
i agree that the charter of rights and freedoms needs ammending and alot of work, its a bandaid legeslation designed to force people to be un prejudiced, but it causes prejudice agains the non minority.
if it was up to harper and his alliance - conservative party, all our non white christian citizens would be thrown in box cars and sent off to camps, and only blond haired blue eyed white hetero couples would be allowed to live in this country.
Lorrie Goldstein can take her biased nazi conservative viewpoints and shove them right up her ass....
WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO DICTATE HOW PEOPLE MAKE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT THEIR LIVES. |
Wow. I think that post is a contender for the 2005 Moronic Post of the Year.
Classic stupidity.
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
first off if the alliance conservative NAZIS ever get voted into power. ill move out of this country. |
Ciao!
| quote: | | The Government has no place in the bedroom, or telling me what is moraly and socialy accpetable. its the governmetns roll to put in place legeslation to assure the health, safety and wellbeing of its people, not to dictate every detail about their private lives. |
Agreed which is why the conservatives don't want to prevent homosexual unions, they just want to make sure there is comprimise by not actually calling it marriage. Please dont confuse that by saying they are homophobic or whatever because its simply not the case.
| quote: | | since when does gay marriages affect heterosexual couples? |
It doesnt. But religious groups are rightly concerned that they may have to perform marriages if its called marriage.
| quote: | | since when does a women's right to choose affect anyone else? |
Ive never heard anything about the Conservatives wanting to ban abortion.
| quote: | | i agree that the charter of rights and freedoms needs ammending and alot of work, its a bandaid legeslation designed to force people to be un prejudiced, but it causes prejudice agains the non minority. |
So prejudice against the majority is OK but not the other way around? GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE!!
| quote: | | if it was up to harper and his alliance - conservative party, all our non white christian citizens would be thrown in box cars and sent off to camps, and only blond haired blue eyed white hetero couples would be allowed to live in this country. |
Right... thats quite the racist statement you just made yourself and im not even going to validate it with more response than this.
| quote: | | Lorrie Goldstein can take her biased nazi conservative viewpoints and shove them right up her ass.... |
"she" is a he. Oh yes BTW Hes a Jew... there goes your theory about nazis and non-white christian canadians!
Before you speak, educate yourself dude.
| quote: | | WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO DICTATE HOW PEOPLE MAKE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT THEIR LIVES. |
Yet from that post it sounds like thats exactly what you want to do. |
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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Wow. I think that post is a contender for the 2005 Moronic Post of the Year.
Classic stupidity.
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This coming from the uncontested moronic post champion of 2002-2004.
swilly |
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