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| e*motion |
a friend of mine did a couple pills 2 nights ago and after she came down one pupil stayed larger than the other.. does anyone know what this means? This is the second person I know that this has happened to. (both girls)
I've heard rumours that these are signs of a brain hemeridge.. any MDs on TA?
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| VERTiG0 |
| She needs new eyes. May I suggest a pair with variable valve timing? |
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| e*motion |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
She needs new eyes. May I suggest a pair with variable valve timing? |
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| SurrJRS |
| quote: | Originally posted by e*motion
a friend of mine did a couple pills 2 nights ago and after she came down one pupil stayed larger than the other.. does anyone know what this means? This is the second person I know that this has happened to. (both girls)
I've heard rumours that these are signs of a brain hemeridge.. any MDs on TA?
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I would suggest she seek medical attention immediately! Uneven pupil dilation can be a sign of a serious neurological problem such as a brain tumor.
I don't mean to scare you/her; there are other medical explanations, but I would treat this very seriously until you know the cause. |
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| StereoPrincess |
actually the rumour is that every person that has ever done E before has uneven pupil size. some of them more noticible than others.
true story. i heard this way back in the day. |
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| SurrJRS |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
actually the rumour is that every person that has ever done E before has uneven pupil size. some of them more noticible than others.
true story. i heard this way back in the day. |
Whilst there is some empirical data to support this, I would not solely rely in a rumor when it comes to your own personal health and wellbeing. As I've pointed out in the past, you can't believe everything you read on the Interweb; there is no substitute to professional advice from your trusted medical practitioner.
Also, please remember that E is by no means pure MDMA. I know that some people have reported uneven pupil dilation on DXM, something that an E pill could very well contain.
I posted a while back on the various impurities found in an E pill:
| quote: | Originally posted by Surreal JRS
Some of the chemicals found in tested ecstasy pills. (Some pills contain a few of these chemicals!)
5-MeO-DiPT (tryptamine, psychedelic drug)
Acetaminophen (Tylenol)
Acetylsalicylic acid (Asprin)
Amitriptyline (Elavil, Endep - tricyclic antidepressant)
Amphetamines (Stimulant)
BZP (Benzylpiperazine - effects are reported to be similar to amphetamine)
Caffeine (stimulant found in tea, coffee, etc)
Carbamezpine (Tegretol - anticonvulsant drug)
Carisoprodol (Soma - muscle relaxant)
Cocaine (illicit drug used for its euphoric and stimulating effect)
Codeine (narcotic pain reliever)
Dextroamphetamine (Adderall - treatment for ADHD)
DOB (2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromoamphetamine - psychedelic hallucinogenic drug)
DOM (2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine - psychedelic hallucinogenic drug)
DXM (dextromethorphan - antitussive drug found in cough syrups)
Diazepam (Valium - benzodiazepine)
Diphenhydramine (Benadryl - antihistamine)
Fluoxetine (Prozac - SSRI antidepressant)
Guaifenesin (Entex - expectorant and a decongestant)
Heroin (diacetylmorphine - opiate drug)
Ketamine (anesthetic)
Lidocaine (a local anesthetic and antiarrhythmic agent)
MDA (3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine - psychedelic hallucinogenic)
MDE (3,4-mehtylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine - psychedelic hallucinogenic)
MDEA (3,4-methylenedioxy-N-ethylamphetamine - psychedelic hallucinogenic)
MDMA (3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine - psychedelic hallucinogenic)
Metandienone (Anabolic Steroid)
Methamphetamine (An amine derivative of amphetamine)
Methyl Salicylate (betula oil, oil of wintergreen, methyl ester)
PCP (phencyclidine - anesthetic)
Phenylpropanolamine (a vasoconstrictor)
PMA (Para-methoxy-amphetamine, 4-MA - VERY dangerous if mixed with MDMA!)
Pseudo/Ephedrine (treatment for allergies and asthma)
TFMPP (Trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine - similar to Benzylpiperazine)
THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol, cannabis, weed, etc)
Vitamin E (fat-soluble vitamins, mainly tocopherols, alpha-tocopherol)
And what's scary is some pills contain unidentified/unknown chemicals!
See http://www.ecstasydata.org/
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| TrueToTheCrew |
| Definately go to the doctors right away. Make sure you tell them everything in regards to substance consumption so they know what they are looking for. |
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| SurrJRS |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew
Definately go to the doctors right away. Make sure you tell them everything in regards to substance consumption so they know what they are looking for. |
As previously stated, an Ecstasy pill can contain any of a number of substances. This makes it especially difficult to know exactly what was in your system at the time. |
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| starsearcher |
| :nervous: eeekkk...definitely glad i'm partying sober...that list by SurrJRS definitely reafirmed me of that :nervous: |
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| girllovingtvibe |
| I had this happen to a girlfriend of mine too - it was nothing serious but she was told to layoff the "e" :) |
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| drgoodvibe |
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Subject: un-equally dialated pupils
Topic Area: Neurology - General
Forum: The Neurology and Neurosurgery Forum
Question Posted By: Marianne8798 on Sunday, August 17, 2003
I am very concerned about a problem my daughter (age 24) is experiencing. For the last 3 days her eyes have been dialating unequally. She called her eye doctor who suggested she needed to see our family doctor for a neurological exam.
Over the last year there has been several times when I had noticed her eyes "looking funny" in that her pupils were unequal in size and questioned her if she had taken some type of drugs, which she denied. In her past she had taken drugs including ecstacy 3 times and did use crack cocaine. She has been drug free for several years.
Now it seems this strange problem with her eyes is not going away. Over the last 6 months she has had a problem with severe headaches and has been to the eye doctor for new glasses as well as the gynocologist for new birth control medication.
I am very concerned that a major unlying problem is occurring. I don't know if waiting to get into the family doctor is the right path to follow.
Thank You
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Answer Posted By: CCF-Neuro-M.D.-CS on Monday, August 18, 2003
The nerves which mediate pupil function are controlled by the autonomic nervous system (ANS). The ANS is, as it sounds, the system in our body which functions independantly and controls many of the internal processes. A difference in pupil size of less then 1mm can be seen in normal people. If the difference is greater then 1mm it shoud be evaluated. It sounds like she has been having this problem for a while, however if she is having neck pain, or a droppy eyelid on the side with the smaller pupil she should see a physician sooner rather then later. The most serious condition which needs to be evaluated is damage to one of the arteries going to her neck, called a dissection. This typically occurs in older individuals secondary to high blood pressure, but needs to be considered due to her history of drug abuse.
If she develops any new symtpoms such as difficult talking, weakness, loss of vision, trouble walking or standing, or severe headache she should be evaluated immediately.
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Subject: Varying Pupil Size
Topic Area: Brain Tumor
Forum: The Neurology and Neurosurgery Forum
Question Posted By: Andrew on Sunday, September 27, 1998
I've been refered by my optometrist to my MD becuase I have two different sized pupils.
I noticed this a week ago, and the difference has increased since then.
She mentioned getting an MRI or CT scan. I would like to know what kinds of things the pupil size may be indicative of?
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Variation in pupil size could mean a number of things - have you touched your eye with any substance on your hand or applied medications to your eye? - external factors somtimes can cause pupillary asymmetry. Eye problems like glaucoma can also cause unequal pupils. But certainly your doctor's concer in of a neurologic one of which there are many causes. The first thing he will due is decide whether one pupil is abnormally small or the other pupil is abnormally big. Abnormally small pupils can be caused by problems in the brainstem or upper spine. The fibers pass out of the spine, go near the top of the lund and travel up to the eye by way of the carotid artery. So you see anywhere along this long tract can affect the pupil. An abnormally large pupil can be do to problems along a more restricted course - from the brainstem out along a nerve to the eye. A large number of causes can affect these areas anything from masses (which from the subject of your post your concerned about), aneurysms of arteries, carotid artery problems, etc.
The most important thing to do now is for a quick evaluation especially as the size is changing - your doctor will check the pupils reactivity and your eye movements as well as the rest of your exam. This should help him narrow some causes down. There are benign causes that can cause pupillary assymetry but also some serious causes. For this reason, an image like an MRI looking at the brain and the region behind the eye is necessary. Note - right now, it seems that just the pupillary size is your only problem. If you develop headaches, vomiting, double vision, call your doctor right away, you will need to be seen immediately.
Hope this is of help - Remember, this information is for educational purposes only and does not substitute for a doctor's direct evaluation for diagnostic or therapeutic options.
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| Wurm |
Of course, when in doubt check it out.
I have a mother-in-law who is having this problem, and it's because of muscular fatigue in the iris. |
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