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| tatgirl |
Yay Spain! Dunno why no one else has done this until now. This should've been done from the start.
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Bin Laden fatwa as Spain remembers
Friday, March 11, 2005 Posted: 1415 GMT
MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- Muslim clerics in Spain have issued what they called the world's first fatwa, or Islamic edict, against Osama bin Laden as the country marked the first anniversary of the Madrid train bombings that killed 191 people.
They accused him of abandoning his religion and urged others of their faith to denounce the al Qaeda leader, who is believed to be hiding out near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
The ruling was issued by the Islamic Commission of Spain, the main body representing the country's 1 million-member Muslim community. The commission invited imams to condemn terrorism at Friday prayers.
The fatwa said that according to the Koran "the terrorist acts of Osama bin Laden and his organization al Qaeda ... are totally banned and must be roundly condemned as part of Islam." (Full story)
The action took place on the eve of the first anniversary of the country's worst-ever terror attack -- which many observers have coined as Europe's 9/11, a reference to the al Qaeda attacks on the United States in 2001.
More than 1,500 people were injured when 10 backpack bombs exploded on packed commuter trains on March 11, 2003.
Spanish authorities mainly blame Islamic terrorists and there were claims of responsibility in the name of al Qaeda. Many of the 74 suspects charged in the case lived in Spain -- but were originally from Morocco, a predominately Muslim country.
But the only person sentenced so far is a teenage Spaniard facing six years for transporting explosives used in the attack.
Royal tribute
Spaniards lit candles, laid flowers and observed a long, mournful silence Friday to mark the first anniversary of the terrorist attack.
King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia led government leaders and other dignitaries during the main memorial -- a silent, five-minute vigil inaugurating a grove of 192 olive and cypress trees, one for each person killed last March 11 and a policeman killed when Islamic militant suspects seeking to avoid arrest blew themselves up.
The grove in Madrid's main park has been christened the "Forest of the Absent."
After the vigil, a young cellist dressed in black played "Song of the Birds" by Pablo Casals, a piece the late Spanish composer and musician had dedicated to peace.
As the dignitaries stood in silence, much of Spain paused in remembrance.
Trains made unscheduled stops at stations, and people stopped in the street to grieve over an attack that cut across nationality, killing immigrants from Ecuador to Ukraine, from France to the Philippines.
Earlier, at the rail stations targeted in the attack, people huddled together and shed tears as memories of the blasts returned. Some left notes that tried to put pain into words.
"Who will give me back my will to live, which died here a year ago?" read a letter posted on a wall at El Pozo station -- the deadliest of four scenes of carnage. It was signed only Susana, a woman who said she was injured when bombs gutted a double-decker train.
As dawn broke, bells at hundreds of churches around Madrid tolled for five minutes beginning at 7:37 a.m., when the first of 10 dynamite-loaded backpacks detonated on four rush-hour trains. Al Qaeda-linked militants claimed responsibility.
Even now, images of Spain's tragedy are hard to bear. And memories still haunt the survivors. (Full story)
A year on, broken families still meet in Madrid's main square to share their torment, and tears.
Mothers like Rita, who moved to Spain from Ecuador to give her son, Jose Luis, aged 11, a better life.
"Our hope was that he would become a professional: a doctor or a lawyer. We thought he'd have a better chance here, a better future. But we were wrong. We brought him to his death," she said.
There are still many question marks, such as who exactly ordered the bombing.
Just three days after the train bombings, the Spanish government -- allied with Washington over Iraq -- was voted out of office.
The new administration withdrew its troops and is urging diplomacy for the future -- a stance more in tune with the feelings of many in Madrid.
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| George Smiley |
| Here's one for ShadowWolf! Maybe its a good thing Muslims are "taking over Europe"?! |
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| josh4 |
Ok... FINALLY. Muslims are quick to point out that their version of the religion doesn't condone what Osamma is doing... but thats about all they do. Its rare to see them publicly condemn what he and the other extremists are doing.
But I still don't feel this is enough. I won't be satisfied until every muslim that claims to not believe what Osamma believes curses his name. Kinda makes you go hmmmm when it becomes difficult to get them to do that. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
Ok... FINALLY. Muslims are quick to point out that their version of the religion doesn't condone what Osamma is doing... but thats about all they do. Its rare to see them publicly condemn what he and the other extremists are doing.
But I still don't feel this is enough. I won't be satisfied until every muslim that claims to not believe what Osamma believes curses his name. Kinda makes you go hmmmm when it becomes difficult to get them to do that. |
Why should they? |
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| josh4 |
| No the question is, why would they be hesitant to do so if they don't condone his practices? Or in other words, why not? |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
No the question is, why would they be hesitant to do so if they don't condone his practices? Or in other words, why not? |
No! The question is why should they?! Unless you are being very ignorant and assuming that all Muslims support bin Laden when very few do? |
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| josh4 |
| Well if they don't support him and don't believe what he does, then what's the problem? I have no difficulty cursing your name, you mean nothing to me, so the obvious conclusion that can be drawn from their hesitation is that they do feel something. Your next question might be along the lines of whats wrong with that? It gives him incentive to keep doing what hes doing. If you don't say "stop I don't agree" then your silence can be interpreted as unannounced support and fuel his fire. But as this thread shows, they are finally coming around. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
Well if they don't support him and don't believe what he does, then what's the problem? I have no difficulty cursing your name, you mean nothing to me, so the obvious conclusion that can be drawn from their hesitation is that they do feel something. Your next question might be along the lines of whats wrong with that? It gives him incentive to keep doing what hes doing. If you don't say "stop I don't agree" then your silence can be interpreted as unannounced support and fuel his fire. But as this thread shows, they are finally coming around. |
There is a difference between issuing a Fatwah and denouncing bin Laden. This is a very big step but dont confuse the two. Muslim groups all over Europe have condemned bin Laden straight after 11/9
But why should they have to? I'm British, but I dont feel the need to make public announcements every time somebody who is British does something bad to show that I dont agree with it do I? Why should Muslims? |
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| josh4 |
| I'm not confusing the two. Im happy they are making this big step but I do think it could have been done sooner. I'm aware many Muslims have condemned bin Ladin. My quarrel is with the ones that more or less hold a double standard by claiming to disagree with his practices yet don't wish to condemn him. The difference between bin Ladin and your comparison to you being British is, bin Ladin is committing these acts in the name of his religion. If someone was going around blowing people up in the name of josh4 I'd want to make it very clear that I have no part in it and wish it to stop immediately. They don't have to, but I think they should. Anyways, it only takes one public statement of condemnation and then its done with. Finally, with this particular case, if Muslims sit idly by and do not let bin Ladin know they don't condone what he is doing, it could mean the deaths of more people. As I explained in my previous post you must not have read thoroughly, bin Ladin could interpret silence as support. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
I'm not confusing the two. Im happy they are making this big step but I do think it could have been done sooner. I'm aware many Muslims have condemned bin Ladin. My quarrel is with the ones that more or less hold a double standard by claiming to disagree with his practices yet don't wish to condemn him. The difference between bin Ladin and your comparison to you being British is, bin Ladin is committing these acts in the name of his religion. If someone was going around blowing people up in the name of josh4 I'd want to make it very clear that I have no part in it and wish it to stop immediately. They don't have to, but I think they should. Anyways, it only takes one public statement of condemnation and then its done with. Finally, with this particular case, if Muslims sit idly by and do not let bin Ladin know they don't condone what he is doing, it could mean the deaths of more people. As I explained in my previous post you must not have read thoroughly, bin Ladin could interpret silence as support. |
You say "it only takes one public statement of condemnation and then its done with" but who do you want to say that? There must be thousands of Muslims who have said that already but thats still not good enuf for you?! What do you want a letter from every Muslim in the world telling you they dont support bin Laden?! |
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| josh4 |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
As I explained in my previous post you must not have read thoroughly, I'm aware many Muslims have condemned bin Ladin. My quarrel is with the ones that more or less hold a double standard by claiming to disagree with his practices yet don't wish to condemn him. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
Its rare to see them publicly condemn what he and the other extremists are doing.
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huh, now you got it wrong... don't you remember influential american muslim clerics condemning the 9/11 attacks ?
Or condemnations coming from every head of state of muslim countries (except Irak)...
the problem is that your media in the US don't talk about it. |
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