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bass-station and muon tau
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| azndragon0613 |
| anyone good with these synths? i really need help. i'm having difficulty getting the sounds rather right and i was wondering if anyone had any examples. thanx |
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| nec |
| Muon tau is so simple to program. |
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| Derivative |
muon tau is ing phat. the only thing i dont like about it that the resonance is slightly weak, the filter steps audibly, theres no distortion and the rotaries are really small and fiddly so its awkward to do real time automation with my mouse ;)
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if you use your own freebie distortion plugins you can make it sound brutally good cuz its typically smoother than audiorealism bassline. bassline is more creamy with slightly more crunch to it. tau works best when you arent automating it. just get a good sound going then let it roll. the filter section on it is not particularly smooth unlike basslines. i automate bassline alot cuz the resonance really is intense and the cutoff doesnt step like Tau's does. but then again its free so i dont really mind.
i do like both however. and yes, any 303 type plugin is the easiest thing in the world to program. 1 oscillator! 1 filter! a decay envelope (no need to faff aroun with attack, sustain and release!) and thats it!
heres a little clippit of a psy'ish 303 using 1 instance of muon tau:
http://www.soundclick.us/fastk6/10/...tauaciiiiid.mp3
its real rough around the edges and i didnt have time to equalize everything and get everything to sit well in the mix. the kick is entirely synthesized in soundforge and is lifted from a work in progress track so it doesnt sit so well in this one. the bass is just a simple VB-1 psy roller (VB-1 is free and should be available on KVR). the acid line is Tau (although it makes phat 303 basses too). i would have prefered to have it filter in as well as fade in but the automation clips were fecking me off and in the end i just bounced it. no mastering. on Tau, theres 1 fruity compressor on it, fruity overdrive, a freeware distortion plugin and a freeware tube distortion plugin. all the external plugs (including tau) are available on www.kvraudio.com for gratis. wont say what the distortions are cuz ive given out too many secrets on this forum and i want my acid lines to remain my dirteh little secrets - it is however very easy to get great results using tau and a bunch of freebies. when you know how. but then again, everything is easy when you know how ;)
the acid goes a bit awry at the beginning and the middle. automating the volume using the mouse was making my wrist ache and its clumsy. half way through i close the envelope on Tau and open the cutoff but those fiddly rotaries didnt turn properly and it snapped to fully open so you can here me trying to cover it up and close it again slowly. overall a performance allround. god i need to get a midi keyboard. |
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| azndragon0613 |
| well the thing is i'm shooting for something more showy and standing out. i know muon tau is simply to program with the fact that it makes good sounds, but to me it seems like the basslines it creates are just for the sake of having a bassline. i'm looking to make a solid strong rhythmic bassline with a phat but distinct saw mixed with square sound. No distortion. I don't know how to describe. Kind of a epic type of bassline? I kno the only way i can get that is with multiple oscillators such as bass-station. But most basslines like moun tau are 1 osc. I don't know. I'm not looking for multiple basslines high and low. Instead just one solid one. Any suggestions? |
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| Derivative |
you do know that the muon tau is a 303 emulation right? yea it can do basslines but you will end up with distinctly acidic type basses as you will often see in psy. seeing as a i write predominantly psy these days i find 303 sounds and 303 basses to be absolutely perfect for the type of music im shooting for. i dont think muon tau makes basses for the sake of making basses at all. i just think its characteristic bass sound only works well in a certain context. in this case its more of an organic, squelchy and warm kind of sound. hence why its found a niche in psy.
do you know what the classic basses typically sound like?
by these i mean: SH-101, TB-303, MiniMoog, Oberheim SEM, OSCar just to name a few examples.
the OSCar for example isnt as suited to acidic type sounds. the bass tones it generates are slightly more metallic, and flatter but jsut as warm and massive.
you can get smooth, creamy distortionless basses out of 303 based sounds but they will generally always have that 303esque character. thats one reason why i like these instruments - you never lose a sense of their unique character.
minimoogs can do DEEP and smoooooth as well as very hard and crunchy but you always recognise the sound as characteristically minimoog. in recent times you can sort of see this with virus basslines which also have a unique character of their own. i would suggest posting a sample. theres plenty of free classic bassline emulation plugins. so once you can isolate the specific tone of the bass you are looking for then it should become easier to recreate that sound.
most of the big trance basslines derive their bass sounds from most of those classic analogue monosynths. chances are if you recognise the sound, you'll be able to recreate it fairly easily with an emulation. although you'll rarely get the warmth and expressiveness of the real thing. |
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| Derivative |
| if you definitely cant find that sound via an analogue monosynth (and these are the *kings* of bass by the way), then why dont you build hybrid type basses using a typical VA synth? albino is great for this. polyphonic. larger variety of digital and analogue modelled oscillators with a variety of waveforms. its my all purpose bass machine. |
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| azndragon0613 |
Wow. Thanks a lot for the info derivative. For my previous basslines, I've been using 3osc. It isn't that bad, considering it has multiple oscillators, but it's tough to get the sounds i want.
I've tried v-station too.
Anyways, I'm looking for a non acid sound. What I'm really shooting for are basslines of airwave and Mind Circles. I asked St. John about it and he said he used reason refills for the bassline. I guess, i need to play aroudn with the synths more? Can any of the synths such as bass-station, tritium, muon tau, 3osc, v-station, or even wasp make sounds like that? |
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| Derivative |
| post a sample of the bass in question. i dont listen to much regular trance so i dont know what it sounds like. |
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| pho mo |
| just out of interest, the muon tau pro has two oscillators, you can easily mix a saw + square waveform. |
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| azndragon0613 |
here's the sample like derivative suggested.
the first bassline is from Mind Circles, the second from Para Siempre
-------->download<-------- |
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| Derivative |
| the first one sounds like an OSCar type bass. the second one i couldnt hear any bass! there was a little rhythym part in 1/16ths and a kick. i dunno. i can give it a go at recreating the first one. |
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