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Music that utilizes ULF.
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| beats and beeps |
Well we've all probably heard of the whole infrasound gimmick being used by industrial/dark ambient/experimental artists (if you havent go look up infrasound and ULF) to reel in the suckers who think that they will be able to recreate these sounds using their home stereo systems. But in reality for the most part the majority of the frequencies that would physically effect a person can not be reproduced by 90% of high end audio equipment, and certainly not at loud enough levels to have the full effect that these people are lead to beleive it will give you.
Regardless I'd be interested to know whether or not anybody here has experimented with these sounds? My KRK moniters were absolutly useless for this, they didnt seem to be reproducing the sounds to any extent at all.
However, the headphones did seem to struggle at reproducing the frequencies. I knew that the fact that they were headphones would make it inviable for me to experience the physical effect that the sounds are supposed to do to you, but I was still curious to know whether or not the would handle these frequencies.
So, I put a black cd in that has no artist name but was titled "Gut 15HZ" it was given to me by a friend who is into all of this stupid crap and he assured me it was the best for this sort of thing. Anyways, I plugged the sony 7506s in and cranked the volume up all of the way and put them on the desk.
As was expected all that could be heard was silence which of course in this sort of music is supposed to mean that there are actually inaudible ulf sounds going on. I had read in previous articles that many of these albums have been found out to be completly false and that the silence was actually just that...silence. But I do know that some artists have been able to record albums with these sounds. So anyways, I start to hear something, some noises, which I eventually figure out are not coming from the cd, but are actually the little speakers or whatever inside of the headphones crackling as they stuggle to reproduce these sounds at such high volumes. After googling this I found that a few other people had experienced the same sort of things when playing this sort of stuff through headphones. Of course I didnt put the headphones on, because these low frequencies are supposed to cause permanant hearing damage.
Anyways, thats my experience.
For anybody who still hasnt looked it up infrasound or ulf (ultra low frequencies) are real, they can be found naturally on earth often amplified in caves, or it can be man made.
Read this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3087674.stm
The american government has been known to be experimenting with these for weapons, and of course, they already use them to communicate underwater with submarine sonar. Infrasounds have been known to cause hearing loss, hallucinations, hair loss, nausea, and death.
Anybody else toyed with this stuff?
O and sry 4 my bad grammer ill be damed if im gunna tlk fancy essay tiping on my spring brake. |
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| apollo_144 |
haha no one cared about your thread LOL
anyway PSYTRANCE makes me sick! |
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| beats and beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by apollo_144
haha no one cared about your thread LOL
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Thats what always happens, I just seem to suck at music, and talking about music, and listening to music.
Oh and youre an idiot, this thread was not an invitation for you to share your uneducated opinion of psytrance. |
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| Zenchowdah |
| quote: | Originally posted by beats and beeps
Thats what always happens, I just seem to suck at music, and talking about music, and listening to music.
Oh and youre an idiot, this thread was not an invitation for you to share your uneducated opinion of psytrance. |
i think they just cannot appreciate your eclectic and far reaching tastes in music.
i have a buddy who is heavy into industrial, i am intrigued to ask him about it |
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| beats and beeps |
Coincidentally today around 4 there was a little blurb on some discovery channel show regarding infrasounds.
It talked about these archaeologists were studying cave paintings in a cave (obviously) and 3 of the four of them experienced nausea and hallucinations. After much hub bub it was figured out that ultra low frequency sound waves were being produced in this cave due to the winds catching the opening of the tunnel and the tunnel acting to sort of amplify it, or whatever. I dont know how they explained it all, but they ended up comparing it to when you blow along the top of an empty bottle, and it makes that sound.
As a result they not only discovered what was giving the archaeologists these experiences, but they found a possible reason to why this cave had so many paintings in it. I'm a little skeptical on that point though, as you have to consider whether or not the cave would have been the same shape, and catch the wind the same way that the ULF is produced, and also whether or not our ancient ancestors' bodies would have reacted to these sounds the same way. |
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| twisted |
| quote: | Originally posted by apollo_144
anyway PSYTRANCE makes me sick! |
ive seen you post that numerous times, regardless if the thread has anything to do even ing do with psytrance. off dude :(
i listen to alot dark ambient and yeah there are lots of artists who claim they can do. one artist that comes to mind, theres that Lustmord fellow, and i think ive heard that Black Lung has experimented with this in certain tracks, but i could be wrong. i did read, however, that in that crazy movie "Irreversible" with Monica Bellucci, the starting credits feature those low frequencies and dizzying visuals to create a nervous, uneasy feeling for the viewers. |
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| beats and beeps |
Yeah lustmord uses it, but he has a very realistic outloook on it, infact he has said the most down to earth things about it that i've heard from an artists mouth who uses it. So many of the others talk about it like its some extremely exciting and dangerous thing that they are playing with.
Anyways, heres a little bit...
| quote: | A frequent gimmick on many so-called industrial recordings has been a reference to things like infra-sound, ultra-sound, or other frequency-related sonic extremes. Infra-sound, low frequency noise below the threshold of hearing, is believed to be capable of causing real physical harm, for example. Naturally, Brian is wary about attaching too much significance to his own use of low frequency sounds.
Lustmord: "I can't think of many people who actually knows what the hell they're talking about. People just think it's some kind of Holy Grail - you'll get this thing with the low frequencies, and you can kill people, and make all their hair fall out. Well, you can cause blisters, first degree burns with high frequencies. You can kill somebody, turn their insides to jelly. On paper you can. It is theoretically feasible to build the equipment, but not practical. A lot of the infrasound and low-frequency vibration has come from the military, and the American military in particular have produced all these myths and rumours. They have researched it, but people assume these things exist. As if, in some hangar there's this amazing equipment ready to be used on rioters ...! With very low frequencies, less than 10 Hz, you need massive concrete speakers driven by pistons, and massive amounts of volume, 130-180 decibels, like standing next to a rocket take off. The sheer shock wave of the sound would probably kill you anyway, let alone the frequencies.
"When you're recording music, there's not that much you can do, only the very simple, common sense things to do with psycho-acoustics, to do with spatial relationships, with depth, with trying to create a space. On the new album (The Monstrous Soul) we've tried it, but I don't think we've succeeded that much, because it's very difficult to do. It's the same with low frequencies. You can use frequencies like 20 Hz and sound bloody good, there's 20 Hz on The Monstrous Soul. But you have to keep it moving because if you have that on a CD, about 80% of your audience is going to miss out because their speakers won't go down to that level, they'll only go down to about 30 or 40 Hz. Some of the tones I contributed to the Anti Group's Teste Tones album use 40 Hz tones, because people will be able to hear them through their speakers, and they sound just as good as far as creating a "feel" goes. You can create very simple environments which will encourage a certain emotion though, using the well-known stress frequencies like that of babies or animals crying, or a woman shrieking. Leichenschrei, the SPK album, used those kinds of sound really well. You can set up your equipment to produce that kind of thing, and people listening to it find it really panicky, scary music. On that level it's quite simple." |
Source: http://media.hyperreal.org/zines/est/intervs/lustmord.html |
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| mikefasssy |
I remember reading a snippet about a post-punk band that constructed their own concrete bassbins and listened to them produce ULF and proceeded to get tunnel vision for the rest of the day.
not exactly something im itching to do though. |
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| manfred |
| quote: | Originally posted by beats and beeps
Thats what always happens, I just seem to suck at music, and talking about music, and listening to music. |
You don't suck at talking about music, I found your post quite interesting as my primary music background is in Goth and Industrial and I am relatively new to the softer side of synth.
where would I go to find more about this topic? |
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by apollo_144
haha no one cared about your thread LOL
anyway PSYTRANCE makes me sick! |
why don't you do us all a favour & die :)
thank you |
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| apollo_144 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian^
why don't you do us all a favour & die :)
thank you |
you live in england and you like psytrance? woah I'd kill myself if I were you. |
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by apollo_144
you live in england and you like psytrance? woah I'd kill myself if I were you. |
I like many styles of trance/techno etc, I don't see the point in following whatever the latest trend is, just enjoying full energetic music, which a lot of psy fits into for me |
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