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Elections this summer... who will you vote for? (pg. 3)
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| Epicurus |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiGHT78
Well last time I voted Marijuana, but obviously that's a waste of a vote. The poll points to the liberals, but I hate Paul Martin and I don't wanna vote for corruption...though anyone in there is going to be corrupt. I'll probably go with NDP, get some new blood, new ideas in there. But I'll definately have to read up on the issue first. |
A fellow Marijuana party voter :D Go Green, although NDP is always agreat second option. |
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| jesteraver |
| Green party on my part. |
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| Marcus007 |
| For all the people out there voting green: if you saw the conservatives were leading would you change and vote for the liberals? |
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| sEpH |
| Les valeurs entre le NPD et le partie Vert se rejoingnent non? |
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| Marcus007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sEpH
Les valeurs entre le NPD et le partie Vert se rejoingnent non? |
Except the NPD has a much better chance of winning. Well, actually, it's usually and probably will once again be a close race between the conservatives and the liberals. |
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| Epicurus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
For all the people out there voting green: if you saw the conservatives were leading would you change and vote for the liberals? |
Absolutely not. And there are many points that need to be discussed. The argument against voting for the Greens in the above scenario goes something like this: If you vote for the Greens, and the Conservatives are neck to neck with the Liberals, then you risk having the Conservatives in power and you've wasted your vote. Although perhaps in the short term, having the Conservatives in power is much worse than the Liberals, in the long run, it's good for democracy and the country, but not because the Conservatives are any good (because they're atrocious). It's because you've stuck to principles that you espouse and adhere to, and acknowledged that though the road ahead may be tough to climb, the road has to start somewhere. If you truly believe in the Green party platform, you owe yourself and democracy a favour to vote according to your principles. For those that say, yes, but not now because [...], I say when? There's never a "good" time, so I choose to vote my conscious now.
Secondly, with enough votes, the Green party will have seats represented in parliament (if they pass that magical threashold), so the vote would not be a waste, since our democracy is not a zero-sum game (unlike our neighbours to the South). Furthermore, the Liberals would probably still be the main opposition, so the Conservatives would probably lead a minority government, which wouldnt last more than a couple of years, so we wouldn't be doomed.
Finally, in this specific case, voting Liberal would reward them for their corruption scandals. If the Conservatives get into power, then that will teach the Liberals to shape up next time, or face similar consequences. Thus, by not voting Liberal and voting Green, you're sending a dual message: a message about your personal preference for platforms (Green over Liberal), but also a message about government accountability. This implies that you're willing to live with the Conservatives for a while despite their sickening agenda, which sends an extremely powerful message to our pathetic politicians that currently run the show in Ottawa.
Change has to start somewhere and sometime, so why not here and now? |
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| jesteraver |
| I'd rather see the Liberal or NDP party in power then the conservatives |
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| Epicurus |
| quote: | Originally posted by jesteraver
I'd rather see the Liberal or NDP party in power then the conservatives |
I'm glad you took my post to heart :p |
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| Marcus007 |
| quote: | | The argument against voting for the Greens in the above scenario goes something like this: If you vote for the Greens, and the Conservatives are neck to neck with the Liberals, then you risk having the Conservatives in power and you've wasted your vote. |
No, the problem with the Green party is they simply have no chance of winning. Just look at the 2004 election results, the Green party wasn't even able to win one seat - not even ONE.
| quote: | | If you truly believe in the Green party platform, you owe yourself and democracy a favour to vote according to your principles. For those that say, yes, but not now because [...], I say when? There's never a "good" time, so I choose to vote my conscious now. |
In an idealistic world, I'd completely agree with you. But, Canada is the furthest thing from an idealistic world and so I'd have to disagree with you on this point. Yes, we do owe it to democracy and to ourselves to vote according to our principles, but, realistically by doing this we could elect a party who would most likely destroy everything the Liberal party had been working towards.
| quote: | | Secondly, with enough votes, the Green party will have seats represented in parliament (if they pass that magical threashold), so the vote would not be a waste, since our democracy is not a zero-sum game (unlike our neighbours to the South). |
Operative word here: (if they pass that magical threashold)
So as it stands at this day and time, a vote for the Green party would still be a wasted vote.
| quote: | | Furthermore, the Liberals would probably still be the main opposition, so the Conservatives would probably lead a minority government, which wouldnt last more than a couple of years, so we wouldn't be doomed. |
This would be fine and dandy, but it still relies on the law being
passed.
| quote: | | Finally, in this specific case, voting Liberal would reward them for their corruption scandals. If the Conservatives get into power, then that will teach the Liberals to shape up next time, or face similar consequences. Thus, by not voting Liberal and voting Green, you're sending a dual message: a message about your personal preference for platforms (Green over Liberal), but also a message about government accountability. This implies that you're willing to live with the Conservatives for a while despite their sickening agenda, which sends an extremely powerful message to our pathetic politicians that currently run the show in Ottawa. |
So... let's damn the country for the next few years in hopes that the Liberals will finally learn their lesson and shape up? I don't seem to understand how this adds up.
In addition, you'd still probably have the same amount of snakes in the Conservative caucus, I mean damn, just look at Harper.
| quote: | | Change has to start somewhere and sometime, so why not here and now? |
If only it were so easy, Epicurus. I for one think the Liberals have already learned their lesson and have cleaned up their act. I just don't think anyone or anything could justify me voting for a party with no chance at winning (not even ONE seat,) or another who would destroy what we know of Canada. |
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| LiGHT78 |
| I definately agree with Epicurus...we need to send out the message that we won't accept corruption. With all the publicity about the Liberal party's wrongdoings, voting for them just shows that everything's OK and we forgive them. I say that...I'd rather have Conservatives in power than go out and blatantly vote for corruption... |
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| jesteraver |
| quote: | Originally posted by Epicurus
I'm glad you took my post to heart :p |
ur welcome bud. |
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| SiM PeµRf |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
ca va pas si mal aux US économiquement parlant...
politiquement c'est une autre histoire |
ca va TRES mal aux states en ce moment.....
javais pas grand chose a faire a la job dimanche passé, fak jai lu beaucoup.....et yavais un tres bon article sur les states dans l'Actualité....
oui, sans doute que ya des exagérations ou wtv.....mais ca va pas full bien mettons....
disons que si ya pas de changements majeurs dici 5-10 ans.....la dette des states sélèvera a quoi....40 000....milliards!!! |
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