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Need help finetuning my beatmatch
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| TruffleShuffle |
| Once in awhile when I am mixing I'll come across a tune that, when I try to beatmatch it to the tune playing, I can just never seem to do accurately. It will sound like I beatmatched it with the tune in the speakers, but when i try to finetune it the beatmatch is so close but not quite there. The problem with this is that now I don't know whether to do pitch up or pitch down slightly for the tune I'm mixing in. Any suggestions on how to either avoid or combat this? |
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| benoitfan |
| quote: | Originally posted by TruffleShuffle
Once in awhile when I am mixing I'll come across a tune that, when I try to beatmatch it to the tune playing, I can just never seem to do accurately. It will sound like I beatmatched it with the tune in the speakers, but when i try to finetune it the beatmatch is so close but not quite there. The problem with this is that now I don't know whether to do pitch up or pitch down slightly for the tune I'm mixing in. Any suggestions on how to either avoid or combat this? |
well, I dunno how you mix, but if you use a mixer that enables more than one PFL at the same time, or a PFL/output knob, you can make sure they are aligned correctly before releasing it (if that's the problem by not being "quite there"). If they're not quite there all the time, maybe that's 'cos you're not fully used to the sound that 2 tracks together make, just try no EQing or experiment till you get used to 2 different beats together.
As for knowing how to pitch up or down, it depends on your technique, personally I find it easier if I have only 1 channel on my headphones, while some people prefer 2 at the same time and distinguish them by the sound they reproduce by goin' apart. Practise different situations and learn with them ;) |
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| TruffleShuffle |
Well I do it with one channel in my headphones first, but when I think I have it beatmatched and also add the other channel into my headphones it's not beatmatched like I thought.
Would you say it's easier to slowly change the pitch of the tune currently playing to match the beat of the incoming tune or vice versa? |
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| DJ Lucas |
yeah, there are some tracks that i have that if i try to beatmatch my "regular" way, by matching the highhats, the beats are usually off a bit. usually tracks where the kicks are very deep bass and/or the highhats aren't very loud....at least in the beginning of the track
try matching the bass if you match the highhats, or vice versa. also, you can beatmatch the best you can with only the cue track in the headphones, and then before you transition, play both tracks in the headphones to make sure they are lined up....and then make an adjustment and check again....or just learn to mix in your headphones (i'm still shaky on that)
good luck.....practicing with those problem tracks helps a lot as well...you're not alone |
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| Omega_Blue |
and the survey says... practice.
what i would do..
1. put the tracks on blend..
2. then nudge the slider up a bit on the incoming track.
3. if they start to go way out of sync, you know the incoming track is too fast. nudge it down...
4. wait for it to match back up... then nudge back up just a tad. then you should be matched pretty close.
if it still starts to gallop, repeat steps 1-4. |
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| benoitfan |
| quote: | Originally posted by TruffleShuffle
Well I do it with one channel in my headphones first, but when I think I have it beatmatched and also add the other channel into my headphones it's not beatmatched like I thought.
Would you say it's easier to slowly change the pitch of the tune currently playing to match the beat of the incoming tune or vice versa? |
then maybe you're still not used to the sound of 2 tracks together though only one is in the headphones. try increasing or lowering the volume of your headphones, or put your phones in different positions in your head (sometimes phones 1, 2 inches apart is best). or try getting closer to the monitors. experiment
as for your 2nd question: i usually adjust the pitch of the incoming track while it's still "incoming", then when it's the dominant one I adjust the pitch of the outgoing.. that's how i do it, but other people prefer taking care of just one track the whole time, it varies... do remember that it's usually faster to realize when a track must be pitched up than down. |
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| spdandpwr |
| With faster beats its harder to adjust the tempo to be perfectly insynch with the track thats playing, so i will constantly adjust the pitch while the record is going to be mixed. Whats great is that people are so focused on the track already being played that you can't hear pitch adjustments. I do this with hip hop too. I match beats very well because i can correct a beat that goes off quickly by being willing to adjust pitch on the fly. I have only been djing for 6 months and i already get complemented. |
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| Zild |
| If you have both tracks fairly well matched but they slip a little after a few bars this is what I do. I'll make a teeny tiny little adjustment to the pitch fader in the direction that I think the correction needs to be made. That usually fixes it right up but if it doesn't I know that all I need is a teeny tiny push on the pitch in the opposite direction. The only way I developed that skill was to stop touching the record to make corrections. Once you get good enough you'll be able to drop a non beatmatched track on phrase and bring it into the mix while riding the pitch to get it beatmatch and nobody will notice. |
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| rafale |
I'd agree with Zild. One way to really finetune your ability to beat match is to apply the 'hands-off' technique..
with experience, u'll rely less on touching the record at all. also, if u insist on touching the record,make sure u've got a good 'feel' of the track. like u can feeeel the track in your fingers as u give it that push or apply the brakes.
cheerioS :D |
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| Exodus17 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
If you have both tracks fairly well matched but they slip a little after a few bars this is what I do. I'll make a teeny tiny little adjustment to the pitch fader in the direction that I think the correction needs to be made. That usually fixes it right up but if it doesn't I know that all I need is a teeny tiny push on the pitch in the opposite direction. The only way I developed that skill was to stop touching the record to make corrections. Once you get good enough you'll be able to drop a non beatmatched track on phrase and bring it into the mix while riding the pitch to get it beatmatch and nobody will notice. |
+1
ive just begun to mix this way... get that first beat of the cue track and hold it till the right phrase and all that, let it go in time with the playing track and ride it from there... that way, if they are matched quickly youll find that all the right parts come in at the right times and you "run out of playing track" alot less... i used to have that problem pretty bad, id cue it up, get it matched, then take the needle and place it back at the beginning but by the time i threw in the next track the playing one had already lost alot of its fluff and it wasnt as smooth as riding it in and pitching on the fly |
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| Zild |
| Plus by the time its beatmatched most of the intro is already played through and you get to mix into the meat of the track. |
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| Dizkojockey |
| Beatmaching isnt really that difficult atall ive been mixing 4 about 8 years and i picked up the beatmatching fairly early on, its just a case of listening to the beat and nothing else try to match everything of the incoming tune to the playing one its difficult to explain because you really have to learn to use your ears independantly of each other,as with most things practice is the key. |
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