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Question for CDJs who use tunes burned onto CD
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| TruffleShuffle |
| When you guys are burning tunes you've downloaded from sites like Beatport, EDMDigital.com, etc., do you burn the wav file or mp3 file onto the CD? I'm assuming wav file because it'll probably sound better, but do the CD players recognize them as music files? Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question, but I'm considering getting one for my setup since vinyl stores around here are scarce and the one I go to takes forever with special orders. Thanks in advance! :) |
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| Freak |
neither
Its burnt as an audio cd |
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| CosmoKid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Freak
neither
Its burnt as an audio cd |
when you use a program like nero, itunes, etc to put music onto CDs, they make it easy for you and do the work for you.
99% of the time, when you select "burn as audio cd", all that means is that the software will convert it to .wav and then burn it onto the cd.
because programs are so user friendly now, you dont have to manually do the conversion and a lot of people dont realize is that it actually is a .wav file.
if you put a cd into your computer's drive and locate it in explorer, click properties, it will list the file as .wav.
and to answer the OP...convert it to .wav or burn as audio cd whenever you can.
What record shop do you go to in the area that takes a while for special orders? |
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| TruffleShuffle |
Music Is Everything in Red Bank. I gave the guy a list two weeks ago on a Tues. of 12 vinyls I wanted for special order. He said he'd let me know what he got in on Friday and the following Tuesday; he only got 2 vinyls in Friday and 3 that next Tuesday, and said the rest he probably would not be able to get in.
Anyway, I notice Beatport allows you download the .wav. So I can just take that and burn to audio CD I suppose? |
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| dj_lane |
| quote: | Originally posted by CosmoKid
when you use a program like nero, itunes, etc to put music onto CDs, they make it easy for you and do the work for you.
99% of the time, when you select "burn as audio cd", all that means is that the software will convert it to .wav and then burn it onto the cd.
because programs are so user friendly now, you dont have to manually do the conversion and a lot of people dont realize is that it actually is a .wav file.
if you put a cd into your computer's drive and locate it in explorer, click properties, it will list the file as .wav.
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Actually it will list it as CDA, Compact Digital Audio.... but yea, thats the way to go |
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| TruffleShuffle |
| quote: | Originally posted by CosmoKid
when you use a program like nero, itunes, etc to put music onto CDs, they make it easy for you and do the work for you.
99% of the time, when you select "burn as audio cd", all that means is that the software will convert it to .wav and then burn it onto the cd.
because programs are so user friendly now, you dont have to manually do the conversion and a lot of people dont realize is that it actually is a .wav file.
if you put a cd into your computer's drive and locate it in explorer, click properties, it will list the file as .wav.
and to answer the OP...convert it to .wav or burn as audio cd whenever you can.
What record shop do you go to in the area that takes a while for special orders? |
I'm kind of confused with what you're saying. Do you mean to say that .mp3 files, when burned to audio CD, are converted to .wav? What would happen if I were to just burn a .wav file to audio CD? Would the CD player still be able to play the .wav file? |
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| Stu Cox |
I think this needs to be explained here. A CD can have 2 different formats on it (well, actually more but these are the main ones): Audio and Data. The audio region is literally audio data, bit by bit with trackmarks. This is the bit that can be played in an audio CD player (home hi-fi, CD deck or whatever). The data region contains files: word documents, programs, whatever you put on it. If you burn a wave file to a CD as data, a normal audio CD player WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PLAY IT. Same goes for an MP3.
Any CD writing program will have the option to select whether you're writing to the CD as audio or data (or both - you can have audio and data regions on the same cd, but again an audio cd player will only be able to read the audio section).
When you burn an audio CD, you select the audio files to burn to the CD and stick them in the right order for the tracks, etc. Your software will convert a wave file into raw data and then burn that to the audio region of the CD. Most programs can now also convert MP3 files to raw data and burn them to CD as well.
I think the reason CosmoKid said it's converted to wave is that wave files and raw audio data are very similar (raw data just doesn't have the header information the wave file does).
So, in answer to your question, as long as you're burning it as an audio cd, the cd player will be able to read it. Also, I may be wrong but I've got a feeling Beatport don't let you download the wave files, only send them out to you on a CD (which then costs a little bit more) |
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| TruffleShuffle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stu Cox
I think this needs to be explained here. A CD can have 2 different formats on it (well, actually more but these are the main ones): Audio and Data. The audio region is literally audio data, bit by bit with trackmarks. This is the bit that can be played in an audio CD player (home hi-fi, CD deck or whatever). The data region contains files: word documents, programs, whatever you put on it. If you burn a wave file to a CD as data, a normal audio CD player WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PLAY IT. Same goes for an MP3.
Any CD writing program will have the option to select whether you're writing to the CD as audio or data (or both - you can have audio and data regions on the same cd, but again an audio cd player will only be able to read the audio section).
When you burn an audio CD, you select the audio files to burn to the CD and stick them in the right order for the tracks, etc. Your software will convert a wave file into raw data and then burn that to the audio region of the CD. Most programs can now also convert MP3 files to raw data and burn them to CD as well.
I think the reason CosmoKid said it's converted to wave is that wave files and raw audio data are very similar (raw data just doesn't have the header information the wave file does).
So, in answer to your question, as long as you're burning it as an audio cd, the cd player will be able to read it. Also, I may be wrong but I've got a feeling Beatport don't let you download the wave files, only send them out to you on a CD (which then costs a little bit more) |
Yeah I know it can't read data CDs, but thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know you could burn .wav and other file formats as audio CDs and still play them on CD players. |
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| Stu Cox |
| tbh wave is more of a standard than mp3 |
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| starlabs |
Actually I usually burned them as hybrid cd's (in Nero, the technical name they use is "CD Extra" format). Basically it's both a data cd and audio cd. What does that mean? It means if you put the cd into a typical audio cd player, it'll play music. And if you put it into a computer cd rom or dvd rom, it'll appear as a normal data cd disk.
So what I usually do is put my track(s) as audio (Nero will convert the mp3 automatically to wave). I will then also put my mp3's onto the data cd portion. That way if I need the mp3 I can stick the same cd into my computer and just copy them, without having to re-rip the cd and re-encode it to mp3.
I actually used to hand-convert the mp3 to wave and burn both mp3 and wave files onto the data portion of the cd, but that was too much work. :p
Here's an explanation I found off google:
http://www.musicfan.com/ecd/formats.html |
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| Stu Cox |
| but of course in doing that you're halving the capacity of your CD (because you're burning everything to CD twice), when there are free programs that will easily extract and allow you to edit audio data from a cd... |
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| starlabs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stu Cox
but of course in doing that you're halving the capacity of your CD (because you're burning everything to CD twice), when there are free programs that will easily extract and allow you to edit audio data from a cd... |
It's not a big deal for me, for 2 reasons:
1) I don't bother burning the decompressed wav version on the cd anymore
2) The way I setup my cd's: usually 1-3 tracks per cd, depending on whether there are remix versions or not. I'm not the type to burn as much tracks as I can on a cd and print out a separate listing - that's even more work ;)
A lot of it depends on how you organize your cd/audio collection, of course. Plus ripping takes too damn long. Why rip when you can just copy the file? :D |
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