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Laugh of the Week: Bush is concerned about due process.
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Bush said he expressed concerns with Russian President Vladimir Putin about legal proceedings against former oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Once the richest man in Russia, Khodorkovsky was convicted Tuesday of fraud and tax evasion and sentenced to nine years in prison following a trail widely denounced as politically motivated.
Bush did not comment directly on the verdict, but said, "it looked like he had been judged guilty prior to having a fair trial."
The president said he has questioned whether the case shows a backsliding away from the rule of law and democracy in Russia and said it will "be interesting to see" how Khodorkovsky's expected appeal is handled by the government.
"Here, you're innocent until proven guilty and it appeared to us, at least people in my administration, that it looked like he had been ajudged guilty prior to having a fair trial," Bush said. "We're watching the ongoing case." |
i guess he's only concerned about due process for the top .1%. funny, the fact that hundreds of persons were/are in jail without the benefit of trials or the access to the judicial system in the US and under US authority as part of his 'war on terror' doesn't seem to bother him one bit.
| quote: | | President Bush called a human rights report "absurd" for criticizing the United States' detention of terrorist suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and said Tuesday the allegations were made by "people who hate America." |
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| josh4 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
i guess he's only concerned about due process for the top .1%. funny, the fact that hundreds of persons were/are in jail without the benefit of trials or the access to the judicial system in the US and under US authority as part of his 'war on terror' doesn't seem to bother him one bit. |
thats because they're terrorists and he no like terrorists. i thought it was already clear bush is pro top .1% |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
thats because they're terrorists and he no like terrorists. i thought it was already clear bush is pro top .1% |
says who. if he says so, it must be so. that's why i find it so laughable that someone has his day in court (which he complains of) and fails to do the same (which he defends and finds offensive that others criticize) hence, the ha ha ha |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | | President Bush called a human rights report "absurd" for criticizing the United States' detention of terrorist suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and said Tuesday the allegations were made by "people who hate America." |
Was this in response to Amnesty International trying to compare Guantanamo to a Russian Gulag? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Was this in response to Amnesty International trying to compare Guantanamo to a Russian Gulag? |
Yeah, it was, which I admit their use of language was a bit overboard. Not that I don't agree with their assessment, but it just seems to me that they could have worded it a bit better in order to garner more agreement.
Regardless, it does seem this Administration only likes Amnesty when, in fact, it furthers their own cause, like here:
| quote: | ...It seems to me a careful reading of Amnesty International or the record of Saddam Hussein, having used chemical weapons on his own people as well as his neighbors, and the viciousness of that regime, which is well known and documented by human rights organizations, ought not to be surprised.
http://www.dod.gov/transcripts/2003...03_t0328sd.html |
And here:
No surprise, really.
Anyway, I thought Schulz' response to Cheney's remark of "absurdity" yesterday was pretty damn appropriate:
| quote: | Schulz responded to Cheney's comments: "It doesn't matter whether he takes Amnesty International seriously.
"He doesn't take torture seriously; he doesn't take the Geneva Convention seriously; he doesn't take due process rights seriously; and he doesn't take international law seriously.
"And that is more important than whether he takes Amnesty International seriously."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/30/cheney.amnestyintl/ |
And today, Bob Herbert nailed it:
| quote: | It's now known that many of the individuals swept up and confined at Guantánamo and elsewhere were innocent. The administration says it has evidence it could use to prove the guilt of detainees currently at Guantánamo, but much of the evidence is secret and therefore cannot be revealed.
This is where the war on terror meets Never-Never Land.
President Bush's close confidante, Karen Hughes, has been chosen to lead a high-profile State Department effort to repair America's image. The Bush crowd apparently thinks this is a perception problem, as opposed to a potentially catastrophic crisis that will not be eased without substantive policy changes.
This is much more than an image problem. The very idea of what it means to be American is at stake. The United States is a country that as a matter of policy (and in the name of freedom) "renders" people to regimes that specialize in the art of torture.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/30/o...Ed%2fColumnists |
What's Herbert talking about in that last paragraph? This:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/31/n...artner=homepage
Which our Administration completely denies, of course.
And BTW, rendition trips with Iraqi detainees is against Article 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention of 1949:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...anguage=printer
Which once again our Administration completely circumvents.
Seriously, Bush should really just shut the up on anything involving another countries' inhumane or indescent human rights treatments. We have ing NO credibility abroad, yet he and the rest of his Administration continue scratching their heads saying, "gosh, I wonder why they don't listen to us?" |
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| wolverine16 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Was this in response to Amnesty International trying to compare Guantanamo to a Russian Gulag? |
I believe so. Certainly a stupid comparison to make by A.I., though the points they bring up regarding due process are valid. By the ideals of the enlightenment that the U.S. is founded upon, the detainees are still not proven guilty. While certainly a good number of them are terrorists or Taliban members the Red Cross determined as many as 90% of the detainees in Abu Ghraib did nothing wrong. Source |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Was this in response to Amnesty International trying to compare Guantanamo to a Russian Gulag? |
yeah, what nonsense... shame on Amnesty International :whip: |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
yeah, what nonsense... shame on Amnesty International :whip: |
i totally agree with you. shame on Amnesty International for the comparison to the Russian Gulag. they were too soft on Bush and should have compared Guantanamo to something harsher |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
i totally agree with you. shame on Amnesty International for the comparison to the Russian Gulag. they were too soft on Bush and should have compared Guantanamo to something harsher |
Looks like someone needs to go back in training.:rolleyes: |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Looks like someone needs to go back in training.:rolleyes: |
lol. i know what he probably meant (although he doesn't make it clear what his position is) but was using his words as a tool against what his position might be. lighten up.:p |
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