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San Francisco/Los Angeles Trance Scene (pg. 2)
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| pumpkin_king |
| Trance Shaft has somewhat of a point...from an outsider's perspective it does seem that parties are generally better in Europe than the US......I mean EDM is so much more evolved and involved in their culture than ours...EDM there is taken much more seriously then it is in the US. But....I believe that the quality of a party has nothing to do with being here or there...it just depends on a person's overall experience of the party. And for what it is worth....I have had more fun in the US then I have had in Europe.....it is all preference and perspective. |
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| ninetyninej |
| quote: | Originally posted by pumpkin_king
Trance Shaft has somewhat of a point...from an outsider's perspective it does seem that parties are generally better in Europe than the US......I mean EDM is so much more evolved and involved in their culture than ours...EDM there is taken much more seriously then it is in the US. But....I believe that the quality of a party has nothing to do with being here or there...it just depends on a person's overall experience of the party. And for what it is worth....I have had more fun in the US then I have had in Europe.....it is all preference and perspective. |
Good point, I can respect that.
And I agree in part, that the overall genre of EDM is regarded higher in Europe than in the US. My initial response was mainly aimed at the comment "SF scene sucks now..." Which in fact it actually r0x imo. |
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| Iceblue28 |
I lived in Europe (UK, France) for two years and two years in Australia (Sydney). From my experiences overseas, EDM in general (particularly trance) is just as part of European culture as country music is in North America. Even in Australia, EDM is much more appreciated. In all honesty, I can't go anywhere in North America without being able to pick up a country music station. Comparatively, in Europe, no matter where I go in France, UK, Germany, etc, I can alway hear loads of EDM on the radio (mainly house and trance). In Australia, house music is always being played as well (not nearly as much trance as in Europe though). In North America, one is lucky if he hears one EDM song per annum after combining all the radio stations of North America.
By the way, my original question pertained to the trance scene on the West Coast of America. I am a bit skeptical to believe that trance scene is vibrant on the West Coast as I am VERY familiar with scene on the East Coast. Let me tell you something. If the West Coast scene ressembles in the least the New York City scene, then there is no scene at all. I do have a hard time believing that San Francisco kicks ass as I know that trance music and EDM in general is very unpopular in North America--even in North American cities.
Big-time DJ's passing through once a year does not make SF a mecca for trance. It's the passion that the people of your region/city feel for the music. If I come to San Francisco, will many, many people have a burning desire to soak up all the trance they can? When one goes to Berlin, trance is everywhere. London is jammed pack with EDM--all varieties. One can't escape it. Could I easily escape trance/EDM in San Francisco? I reckon I could. Same goes in LA.
The dude from LA who said that money will buy mainstream acceptance of trance music in USA is totally wrong. Money will not make trance accepted in America. Our culture is not able to embrace this music. It repels most American. It goes against the American mentality as does classical music. Rock, country n' western, hip-hop, heavy metal (San Francisco is a mecca for heavy metal LOLOLOL), rap, and pop fit much more nicely into the North American psyche.
European chic=trance
North American unsophistication=country, rock, etc |
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| rpa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Iceblue28
Our culture is not able to embrace this music. It repels most American. It goes against the American mentality as does classical music. Rock, country n' western, hip-hop, heavy metal (San Francisco is a mecca for heavy metal LOLOLOL), rap, and pop fit much more nicely into the North American psyche.
European chic=trance
North American unsophistication=country, rock, etc |
ever think it may be because, for the most part, the current genres like rap/pop/rock (and their big sub genres) were basically BORN in the US, whereas many forms of EDM originated in Europe
even though i like EDM i'd personally rather live in a country thats more diversified in its musical tastes rather than a country where, as you yourself put it, you can never really escape that one type of music |
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| St. Michael |
We have an unfair stigma to rise above here stateside. I know for a fact that some of the greatest minds in the EDM and club world reside right here in Los Angeles. The time will come that these minds will take the world by storm, injecting a dynamism and intuitiveness never before experienced in the EDM genres. It's time for a new order to replace the old, and, it is developing as we speak. Literally, a revolution is underway that will obliterate the lazy minds who rest on defunct laurels.
Where will you be? This is the warning! |
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| Iceblue28 |
The future of trance music is emerging--reluctantly but surely--from the underground communities of Los Angeles, and San Francisco is supplying a good portion of the shovels. Hollywood is coming to liberate us from the quasi-nonexistance to the quasi-existance of trance by virtue of its wealth and prestige.
The Future of TRANCE= Los Angeles/San Francisco.
It is time to party California. Get out your dancin' shoes. |
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| GPC |
| The LA scene is fine the way it is IMO. There are more than enough quality DJs spinning and more than enough cool people to party with. Does anyone really want Mr & Mrs Joe Six Pack Average American in the clubs partying with us? It can be a bitch getting into clubs as it is. If it was more popular, it would be just that more difficult. I don't understand why people think the EDM scene here needs to be huge to justify it. I don't care what people think when I tell them I listen to trance. I prefer the fact that most people say "you mean you listen to that techno stuff?" |
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| DaveT |
Fact is here in SF and down in LA, it's prime was 1997-2001/early 2002. The scene was just massive. When I'd come out here and get into clubs (using muh fake ID :-p), the atmosphere was ALWAYS insane. No matter what night. Every club was jam packed. No matter who was playing. It was intense.
Then the big dot-bomb occured. People didn't have money to spend. Clubs emptied out.
Between 2002 and around late 2003, I'm not too sure how the LA scene was because I was never really down there except for work and never went to clubs.
For SF, the scene suffered hardcore between 2001 and early-mid 2004. Since then, though, there has been a slow comeback here. Still a long way to go, but certainly improved. My promoters are taking chances at bringing out little known acts but a lot of times everyone has been surprised with rather decent turnouts.
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The good vibes are returning.
Between September '04 and upto now, there have been numerous kick ass weekends. Not a single party, but whole insane weekends before.
A couple highlights.
1. Love Parade. Pre-party w/ MarcoV. Love Parade, then afterparty with Sandra Collins, Hybrid, and D:Fuse.
2. Last Halloween weekend. Above & Beyond, Oceanlab, Lange, Sander Kleinenberg, Paul Oakenfold, and someone who I am forgetting which is pissing me off.
3. New Years weeekend. NYE w/ Ferry Corsten, Bad Boy Bill, and others. Day 1 w/ J00F's historical set which earned him a residency here.
4. Jan 7th and 8th. Jan 7th with a 4+ hour set by Digweed. Jan 8th w/ a 12 hour set by Danny Tenaglia.
5. Last weekend. Friday w/ Armin van Buuren, Saturday w/ the choice of Christopher Lawrence or J00F, and Sunday w/ a choice of Gabriel & Dresden or Darren Tate/Mike Koglin (and if he didn't have to cancel, The Thrillseekers).
6. The chances/rarities taken. Markus Schulz headlining in December to a packed house, Johan Gielen playing here (something you can easily chance in LA, but not here), The Thrillseekers playing, Kyau-vs-Albert (even I have to start giving Skills some props), John Digweed playing in March right after playing in January. Carl Cox playing.
Then there's upcoming stuff like in July, Nick Warren and James Zabiela back to back. June 18th with NuNRG (taking a chance!). Ronski Speed being brought back. Leama & Moor coming soon. Love Parade on September 24th, which I think is gonna be huge this year...things are being kept uber secret!
Simply put, lots of hot happening. The only cities in the US that could compare are probably LA and definitely New York. |
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| sheffy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveT
2. Last Halloween weekend. Above & Beyond, Oceanlab, Lange, Sander Kleinenberg, Paul Oakenfold, and someone who I am forgetting which is pissing me off. |
PVD! ;)
10-29-04 - Paul Van Dyk @ 1015 - San Francisco, CA |
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| ninetyninej |
| quote: | Originally posted by rpa
ever think it may be because, for the most part, the current genres like rap/pop/rock (and their big sub genres) were basically BORN in the US, whereas many forms of EDM originated in Europe
even though i like EDM i'd personally rather live in a country thats more diversified in its musical tastes rather than a country where, as you yourself put it, you can never really escape that one type of music |
agreed.
Also I agree with DaveT. The scene in the late 90s and thru 2001 was absolutely unbelievable. Not just in SF and LA but even in Sacramento too.
It didn't take some HUGE dj to fill a club, they were packed all the time no matter who was playing. The EDM scene was fantastic and at an all time high. I mean Together As One in LA NYE Dec 31st 2000 was prob the best party I ever attended. Not just the all star lineup with BT doing a live PA with dozens of top djs but the vibe was off the hook. And at the time was the biggest event in the US with 45,000 people. During those years we partied round the clock 4 days a week average and whether it was up in Sac or down in LA the place was packed and the vibes couldn't be better.
There was a club up here called Sac Late Nites, open 98 thru 2000, that was packed to the brim with a line around the building at 2am and people paying up to 20-25$ to get in. And guess why? Was it a superstar dj? No just our local residents and the awesome scene.
Now 2002 thru today, lets just say things have changed and hip hop/top40 has regained top seat in clubs and the scene is deffinitely not what it was. Some will disagree with me but I believe it was due to E. People partied for all those years, mid/late 90s thru 2001, and eventually a lot got burnt out or got popped (including myself). The pop culture in the US could be another reason things aren't what they used to be. Either way the music has always been a passion of mine, not just trance but most styles. And for me I haven't dropped or done drugs in nearly 4 years. But I still am a total EDM junkie and love seeing my fav djs. Like Armin last week and Markus tonight. The scene isn't what it used to be but like DaveT said its deffinitely improving. It may not rival the EDM scenes in Europe but as for SF I think its alive and well and everytime I go I have a great time.
I wish things could be the way they were and a lot of people try to hold on to those years. But the music and scene has evolved and it is what it is.
Now lets go party!
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| MR STROKE |
| completely agreed!!! the entire northern/sothern CA scene took a huge down fall in the last-4-5 years...there was a time when u could go out ANY weekend and go to MASSIVE 20,000 + person rave/party...its too bad those days have gone...i think ALOT of this has to do with the police/athorities getting VERY tight on parties and minors staying up until 6:00 am getting loaded....the media has really put a bad spin on the hole issue.... |
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| Blueness |
In-Store Performance featuring MATT DAREY spinning LIVE!
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WHEN: Wednesday, June 8th @ 8pm
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See you guys there!
Questions? E-mail [email protected] |
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