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How to protect ears? (pg. 2)
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| chillsonic |
| sorry about the link not allowing hotlinks. you can get there by pasting the url into yahoo search, but not google for some reason. |
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| krivi |
good read...i'll forget my headphones.
and one question:
how to know how much music from computer is loud(in DB)? is there any program or plug-in which shows a decibels?
thanx |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by PDM
* Doing five hours session of work is not advisable, first because you lose objectivity after 2 hours (max 3) of making , mixing , and mastering sounds. |
Is this based on anything in particular? I'm curious how you came up with this number and also what you define as "objectivity". Some of my best work has come out of times when I've sat down for 12 hours straight - and yes, that is looking back several weeks, after not listening for a while, in a purely "objective" sense, and also going by the comments of 3rd parties.
Also, what's all this crap other people are saying about "don't produce with earphones, use speakers as much as possible?" You need flat frequency response in order to produce properly, and unless you've got one hell of a monitor setup, the speakers aren't going to cut it. Listening on speakers should be an afterthought because EVERY speaker setup sounds different - my production workstation sounds different from my other PC, sounds different from my car, etc.
It's more enjoyable and quite possibly less damaging to do it on speakers, but I've gone that route and it's just not conducive to good sound quality. Would you tell a DJ to mix only with the monitors? |
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| h.vox |
| quote: | Originally posted by krivi
good read...i'll forget my headphones.
and one question:
how to know how much music from computer is loud(in DB)? is there any program or plug-in which shows a decibels?
thanx |
music from your computer is maximum 0 dBFS. loudness is dependant on your speakers and amplifier, not on your computer if your tracks are as loud as they can be without clipping, so a plugin that shows thge loudness coming out of the speakers does not and can not exist.
there is one nifty vst level analyzer called RMS Buddy, though. |
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| h.vox |
| quote: | [i][b]
Also, what's all this crap other people are saying about "don't produce with earphones, use speakers as much as possible?" You need flat frequency response in order to produce properly, and unless you've got one hell of a monitor setup, the speakers aren't going to cut it. Listening on speakers should be an afterthought because EVERY speaker setup sounds different - my production workstation sounds different from my other PC, sounds different from my car, etc.
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maybe that's because the music will be listened to on the speakers, and not on the headphones? headphones do show more detail, but are not good for final mixdown because the stereo separation is exaggerated (since the angle between headphones is 180 degrees, and the angle between speakers and you varies from 10 to about 100 degrees), the bass response is not accurate (because most of the time the bass is felt instead of heard), and, what i have experienced with my headphones (akg k55) is that effects (mostly delay and reverb) are exaggerated, and if i was to lower the reverb and delay levels based on my headphones, on most of the system these tracks sound too dry.
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It's more enjoyable and quite possibly less damaging to do it on speakers, but I've gone that route and it's just not conducive to good sound quality. Would you tell a DJ to mix only with the monitors? |
that is a completely different thing, you could not state more wrong example.
anyway, if producing with headphones works for you, great. but be aware that there is much more pros who use speakers when mixing, than the ones using headphones only. |
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| Limit |
best way to mix is to have a dual monitor system...one really good pair of speakers that lets you identify problem areas and headroom problems, and another reall ty pair of speakers that let you hear what your mix is going to sound like on a home hi-fi.
The reason the Yamaha NS-10's were so popular, were because they sounded so bad. SO if it sounded good on the NS-10's it would most likely sound good on the medium you were mixing for.
I do not recamend headphones for mixing what so ever...you will end up boosting all the levels to and back, and just ing up your mix. |
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| h.vox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Limit
best way to mix is to have a dual monitor system...one really good pair of speakers that lets you identify problem areas and headroom problems, and another reall ty pair of speakers that let you hear what your mix is going to sound like on a home hi-fi.
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you have a pair of ty speakers to hear how will your mix sound on a pair of ty speakers - which means radio, tv, boomboxes, etc. not on a hi-fi system.
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The reason the Yamaha NS-10's were so popular, were because they sounded so bad. SO if it sounded good on the NS-10's it would most likely sound good on the medium you were mixing for.
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yamahas were so popular because they were extremely detailed in the mid-range, not because they sounded bad, which they weren't. when mixing trance, big problem is the bass range which yamahas do not reproduce correctly, but in pop and rock'n'roll most of the problem lies in the mid-range. that's why yamahas were popular, not because they sounded bad. and, of course, most of the time they were used in pair with a larger monitoring system which did reproduce the bass better.
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I do not recamend headphones for mixing what so ever...you will end up boosting all the levels to and back, and just ing up your mix. |
well, that does not have to happen. if you mix on high levels (which most ppl do), you will most probably start lowering all channel levels because they make your ears bleed, and it will also result in an unbalanced mix. i think this occures more often than boosting the levels too high. headphones might be fine for setting the levels and frequency balancing in the first place, but definitely not for the final mixdown. |
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| Limit |
| quote: | Originally posted by h.vox
you have a pair of ty speakers to hear how will your mix sound on a pair of ty speakers - which means radio, tv, boomboxes, etc. not on a hi-fi system.
yamahas were so popular because they were extremely detailed in the mid-range, not because they sounded bad, which they weren't. when mixing trance, big problem is the bass range which yamahas do not reproduce correctly, but in pop and rock'n'roll most of the problem lies in the mid-range. that's why yamahas were popular, not because they sounded bad. and, of course, most of the time they were used in pair with a larger monitoring system which did reproduce the bass better.
well, that does not have to happen. if you mix on high levels (which most ppl do), you will most probably start lowering all channel levels because they make your ears bleed, and it will also result in an unbalanced mix. i think this occures more often than boosting the levels too high. headphones might be fine for setting the levels and frequency balancing in the first place, but definitely not for the final mixdown. |
no sh*t!!
I wroked for steinberg canada and dealt with LOTS of producers...so this is what I've been told.
I ment Hi-Fi as in home stereo........
oh, No Sh*t! |
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| BTG |
| mixing with headphones is a bad ided, cause it doesn't portray the sound accuratly. try mixing/composing with speakers, just at lower volumes (unless they're reallly ty speakers) |
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| h.vox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Limit
no sh*t!!
I wroked for steinberg canada and dealt with LOTS of producers...so this is what I've been told.
I ment Hi-Fi as in home stereo........
oh, No Sh*t! |
are you being sarcastic or i am missing something here? |
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| Limit |
YES, and who cares.
get over it! |
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| nhibberd |
| My problem is that in hot weather it gets all swetty where my headphone attaches to my head around my ears. |
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