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scales and chords in trance (pg. 2)
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| skycrush |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stormy_T
what is the difference between C-major and A-minor? Since they both consist of exactly the same notes. |
They don't consist of the exact same notes - A-minor is made of A, C and E. C-major is C, E and G.
I think (but I'm not 100% sure its correct) it's Amin7 and Cmaj6 which are made of the same notes - A C E G. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by skycrush
They don't consist of the exact same notes - A-minor is made of A, C and E. C-major is C, E and G.
I think (but I'm not 100% sure its correct) it's Amin7 and Cmaj6 which are made of the same notes - A C E G. |
cause u start with the first note, or bass note on the key A?
what u can do.. is that u can try to make an A-Minor Scale in ur piano roll.. and u select all the notes which consists of 7 notes.. move them up so u have for instance the lower note starting on F, and viola u have the notes for F Minor..
just a tip;) |
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| Derivative |
an A minor 7th cannot be the same as a C major 6th because the Am7 starts from A. and the Cmaj6 starts from C.
i explained this ages ago in a thread which i forget the name of. chords and scales are interelated. a scale is just an ascending or descending series of notes in whole steps.
eg. a scale from root C = C, D, E, F, G, A, B and back to C
if A is the root you start from A and ascend/descend in whole note intervals.
if the first note of the scale is the root (also called tonic), the 2nd is called the major 2nd, 3rd is called major 3rd, perfect 4th, perfect 5th, major 6th, major 7th, perfect octave.
basic chords consist of a triad of notes. this is: root, major 3rd, perfect 5th.
therefore a C chord = C, E, G. corresponding to the 1st, 3rd and 5th note of the scale.
you can add extra notes in harmony to change the dynamic of the chord or to accentuate certain aspects of it but those are the key notes.
a Cmaj6 would be a C chord +6th note of the scale: C, E, G, A
for an Am7 you would start counting notes from A.
a minor chord is root, flattened 3rd, perfect 5th. therefore an A minor = A, C, E.
an A minor 7th is an A minor + 7th note of the scale from A.
i.e. A, C, E, G
an Am7 and a Cmaj6 share many of the same notes in harmony but the root is completely different and if you play 1 after the other you can hear the difference because of this. subtle. but they are not the same.
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there is no formula for writing trance. and you should not pick a scale like you pick a tv and then stick with it for life. anyone who tells you that is likely filling you full of .
the only thing that is common to all trance based music is that it has a constant rhythym and popular trance usually consists of chords and scales that resolve fully. i.e. its melodic.
beyond that, you can do what the hell you like. pure theory in music is more akin to mathematics than anything else. its just counting up in steps. what makes good trance so amazing is how it builds and resolves and how it never stops moving.
typically you can hear alot of trance type songs start with a single note tapped rhythym as in a bassline. good example: tiesto's in search of sunrise mix of silence. everyone has heard it. starts out as a single tapped note in key of A. as the song builds extra harmonies are introduced to give it more texture but the bassline stays in root and drives the song. towards the end of the track. root drops to F, then up to G, then back to A and back down to G.
then it adds 5ths only it flattens the A to an A minor for this lovely sad lift. then it adds 5ths again only an octave higher for that melodic resolution right at the end of the track. |
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| mef |
Hey dude! Long Time!
How are / is exams / life? :D |
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| Axolotyl |
Once again, Derivative layeth the smack down. You've been missed.
Question for you .... I'm writing a track in A minor at the moment however at the break, the melody starts on the C, but it still uses the A minor scale. Is this melody at the break then considered to be in C Major because it starts on the C? Or is it the A Major 3rd because C note is the 3rd note in the A minor Scale.
Or does it even matter? I'm suspecting they are essentially exactly the same thing and like you said, just a matter or mathematical somantics.
Anyway, it seems to sound fine. Pretty happy and uplifting, but it works nonetheless... |
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| Derivative |
howdy ^^
the root will still be in A but you are adding additional harmonies to it in relation to the root note. key changes are fiddly because you have to count up again from a different root. doing it live is a bitch unless you have really good mental arithmetic. hope that helps.
yo mef - ended up quitting my degree because it sucks ass and i spend more time producing than i do working for my degree ^^ im gonna stick around southampton and beg for a job in some local studios and or find work as a digital media assistant. at this point in time i dont care if im sweeping floors and making tea - as long as i can be in a studio/keep my current producing habit going and i can make enough to pay for food and rent.
its a real drag studying something you hate :( |
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| Stormy_T |
| quote: | Originally posted by skycrush
They don't consist of the exact same notes - A-minor is made of A, C and E. C-major is C, E and G.
I think (but I'm not 100% sure its correct) it's Amin7 and Cmaj6 which are made of the same notes - A C E G. |
If you read carefully, you'll see I was refering to scales, not chords. You can have different chords in same scale. Actually, chord progression is quite common in trance music. |
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| mef |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
yo mef - ended up quitting my degree because it sucks ass and i spend more time producing than i do working for my degree ^^ im gonna stick around southampton and beg for a job in some local studios and or find work as a digital media assistant. at this point in time i dont care if im sweeping floors and making tea - as long as i can be in a studio/keep my current producing habit going and i can make enough to pay for food and rent.
its a real drag studying something you hate :( |
woo thats weird! ive pretty much done exactly the same thing! WEIRD! :nervous: :nervous:
im in the process of getting a job to fund my music. U fancy a pint sometime? pm me :D
All the best mate!
martin |
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| skycrush |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stormy_T
If you read carefully, you'll see I was refering to scales, not chords. You can have different chords in same scale. Actually, chord progression is quite common in trance music. |
oops! guess I should pay closer attention... |
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| isrefel |
| if possible could someone expalin what Aeolian mode is ???? |
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| Derivative |
| quote: | woo thats weird! ive pretty much done exactly the same thing! WEIRD!
im in the process of getting a job to fund my music. U fancy a pint sometime? pm me
All the best mate!
martin |
think ill take you up on that ^^ chemistry got you down too?
| quote: | | if possible could someone explain what Aeolian mode is ???? |
not exactly sure what the notes are without checking it. but moded scales are just variations on normal scales that resolve differently. |
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| mef |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
think ill take you up on that ^^ chemistry got you down too? |
yeah and money issues. got a job interview on tuesday morning though :nervous: |
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