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Grewal tape apparently altered, expert says
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| MarkT |
this proves nothing, of course...but as I said in another thread, before jumping to any conclusions, maybe his recordings should be examined.
intersting to see how this plays out...
| quote: | Grewal tape apparently altered, expert says
CANADIAN PRESS
OTTAWA - One of Canada's top forensic sound analysts says a conversation secretly taped by Tory MP Gurmant Grewal appear to have been altered.
Stevan Pausak told The Canadian Press a 46-second segment of the recording now at the centre of a political storm has an abnormal break that indicates a portion may have been cut out.
The gap occurs in a recorded phone chat between Grewal and Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh about the possibility of Grewal joining the Liberals in exchange for an unspecified reward.
"It appears to be altered," Pausak said.
"This brief segment at the beginning shows that it's not continuous, and it should be."
Pausak, a physicist, MIT-trained forensic scientist and former Ontario government expert, provides analysis for court trials through his Oakville-based company, Forensic Science Services Inc.
He listened to a segment of the tape today at the request of The Canadian Press.
Pausak says there's a discontinuity in the audio file, what he calls a "zero-signal gap" - commonly known as dead air - of about 0.3 seconds. The signal goes abruptly to zero in that interval, and afterward it continues.
"I'm talking about alteration. I am trying to avoid the word tampering," Pausak said.
"When you are using the word tampering, that means intent, right? Most of the time there is no way to show intent through the examination of the recording. You just see that it's altered."
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source and full article:
Toronto Star - June 2, 2005 |
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| rabbitjoker |
| Either way. It makes all politicians look like Schweinehund. |
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| ShadoWolf |
This is a perfect example of media bias.
There are 4 hours of tape... yet:
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"This brief segment at the beginning shows that it's not continuous, and it should be." |
Instead of focusing on the unethical behaviour of the Lieberals (interference in Ethics Counselor and RCMP investigations, implicit quid-pro-quo for a patronage appointment, etc), they attack the MP who happened to tape the Lieberals in the act.
The implication that Harper was involved is an absurd and vicious smear tactic.
Stop blaming the victim!
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=247362 |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Either way. It makes all politicians look like Schweinehund. |
agreed...I didn't post this to exonerate the Liberals...because it doesn't. I posted it to show how silly the people are who *immediately* assumed that what Grewal claimed was completely true and the whole story.
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
This is a perfect example of media bias.
There are 4 hours of tape... yet:
Instead of focusing on the unethical behaviour of the Lieberals (interference in Ethics Counselor and RCMP investigations, implicit quid-pro-quo for a patronage appointment, etc), they attack the MP who happened to tape the Lieberals in the act.
The implication that Harper was involved is an absurd and vicious smear tactic.
Stop blaming the victim!
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=247362 |
Shadowolf...whatever...you constantly demonstrate your lack of ability to logically examine an issue. It's clear you've made up your mind, regardless of what evidence exists or does not exist (or has been altered, it seems, lol). |
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| ShadoWolf |
*Breaking news on the blogs*
| quote: | I am very disappointed with you and CFRA for being so irresponsible. Your treatment of the Grewal tapes is as careless and irresponsible as CBS's actions about the supposed memo's about Bush's Texas Air National Guard service.
Your reports talks about '.wav files' but it was MP3 files that he put on his website. Did your producers convert the file to .wav and base their opinion on that? The MP3 files themselves are not the original source audio either. The originals are on analog audio tape. Do your producers know what kind of tape recorder was used to make the originals? Do they know what process was used to convert the originals to a digital format and then convert them to MP3? Clicks like that could easily be introduced at any stage in many ways.
The existence of a click in a COPY of the audio proves absolutely nothing. Their conclusions are completely unjustified, nor are they even qualified to offer a valid opinion on whether the tapes were edited. Shame on CFRA for such sloppy journalism on such an important issue. |
turns out the "clicks" are from the conversion of wav files to MP3 - which is genearlly not a lossless format. |
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| ShadoWolf |
another example of media bias:
http://tinyurl.com/9bebb
Note how Duffy mentions the Liberal nomination in BC, but fails to mention that the Liberal Party of BC is the CONSERVATIVE option in that province (somewhat similar to Quebec).
He is OBVIOUSLY going out of his way to show Grewal's "inconsistencies," yet where's the outrage over the offers? :whip: |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
agreed...I didn't post this to exonerate the Liberals...because it doesn't. I posted it to show how silly the people are who *immediately* assumed that what Grewal claimed was completely true and the whole story. |
that's not the point
the real issue is, why are we even having this conversation? the Liberals have managed to change the subject to take heat off themselves.
| quote: | | It's clear you've made up your mind, regardless of what evidence exists or does not exist (or has been altered, it seems, lol). |
that's a great description of YOU
think about it: why was this thread even started? we already have a thread on the offers - the REAL issue - yet you start this thread because you think you caught the CPC in a "gotcha"
In that sense, you've acted just like Dan Rather in MemoGate. Actually worse, because the Lieberals actually did something bad in this case (which you don't focus in on).
Regardless, they've done so much damage they must go. NOW. |
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| Matt |
I thought is was suspicious that the Conservatives were holding the tapes for two weeks when they should have been turned over to the RCMP.
| quote: | | ohn Dooher, a forensic audio engineer |
| quote: | | supported by Stevan Pausak, one of Canada's leading forensic-sound analysts. |
But of course they can't tell when something has been converted from WAV to MP3 :rolleyes:
The offers are the real issue, of course, but why did the CPC not translate parts concerning whether or not Grewal approached the Liberals? Why did the CPC hold the tapes for 14 days?
All this, plus blatently stupid Stronach namecalling, etc have convinced me that the CPC is a bunch of immature whiny pussies that are just as corrupt as the Liberals. |
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| naesean3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
that's not the point
the real issue is, why are we even having this conversation? the Liberals have managed to change the subject to take heat off themselves.
that's a great description of YOU
think about it: why was this thread even started? we already have a thread on the offers - the REAL issue - yet you start this thread because you think you caught the CPC in a "gotcha"
In that sense, you've acted just like Dan Rather in MemoGate. Actually worse, because the Lieberals actually did something bad in this case (which you don't focus in on).
Regardless, they've done so much damage they must go. NOW. |
your misuse of the LIEBERALS slander-tag has failed you shadowolf.....(the Liberals have managed to change the subject to take heat off themselves.) HAHA LOL!!!! :rolleyes:
please give it up already - and do not attack MarkT for bringing up a 1% debate in the 99% attacks you have made in the past few months on this Liberal Scandal issue - your Harperites shall have to wait 6 months now to bait their reel for the top Government position.....they lost their chance (Harper = dolt)......you must be soooo sad and angry (eats you up inside/rots your bowels).....vent it somewhere else dood - most all I know (personally) are tired of the diatribe (yours) - join a political party and actually do something (promote a leader that is actually competent - then maybe I shall take valid issue/examine the possibilty of a Conservative ruling majority - I am - unfortunately for you - open-minded!).....your words are lost to a great number of people who post here......my opinion - I am entitled to it.....flame/slam me all you want.....you seem to have all the time in the world - (since you never go out and actually meet any of us other TA's - it seems) - we are a fun bunch to party with and we immensely enjoy each others company - and 99% of the reason why we post here is to feel a sense of family/make friendships while we experience our EDM passions - the wolf that you are shadowing is the one that cannot control or gain Canadians respect (Harper) - although I much apreciate your choice in FAV producers (M.I.K.E.) I fear based on your postings - that is the ONLY thing we have in common - and in the last 2 months - I have met at least 50 people on these forums in which I can share 1000% more things of interest.....may sound harsh but - you are now attacking one of MY friends.........and I take THAT personally......:whip:
In my famous words of BRING IT UP BRING IT UP - for you - I shall say GIVE IT UP - GIVE IT UP.......you make no apologies whatsoever for your blatant attacks on peoples difference of opinions from your own - and therefor lose your power of persuasion in the process......enjoy life......live a little.......being old and bitter is not a pretty thing to aspire too........fill another role....positions are full ......:rolleyes:
as I said - flame away - you shall rot in your own decay.....not me dood.....I have found my happiness - good luck!!!
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| Moral Hazard |
| What I love about this whole tape thing is that the only person that the tapes prove broke the law is Grewal. He asks for a "deal" on several occasions, in fact, he is always the instigator in any talks of reward for his allegance. This is illegal... you cannot solicit for a reward in exchange for a vote. |
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| Jayx1 |
Lets see what the RCMP says. If he did alter the tapes he should step down immediately. This would be quite a serious offence. However i have to agree that we have to be careful at this point about media sensationalism because there is defrinately a media bias that is pro liberal. And we have to remember that even if this is a fraud it's still nowhere as big as the fraud that has been perpetrated against the canadian taxpayer.
Until the laws are changed and parliament is reformed you will always find this sort of thing. The question is who is willing to change it? It's certainly not going to be the Liberals. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
However i have to agree that we have to be careful at this point about media sensationalism because there is defrinately a media bias that is pro liberal. |
Agreed, there is bias in the media and some of it is pro-Liberal, however, there is also pro-Conservative media bias. Have you read the National Post or listened to CFRB? Truth is editors will hire writers that will write stories with a certain slant on it, every media outlet has some bias even if unintentional.
My guess is that whatever was cut out of the tapes was edited to protect Grewal more then it was to incriminate the other speakers on the tapes. Had the tapes been altered to the point that conversations were manufactured out of bits and pieces of other conversations then the edit points would be everywhere. |
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