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So I Went To See Max Graham Last Night (pg. 2)
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| Mike123 |
| quote: | Originally posted by djmetatron
Not only remixes, his songs are progressive as well. His newest EP with Automatic Weapon and Does She Know Yet is very progressive. I've never heard a live set from Max, but I know his productions well and if I was to see him live I would assume his set would be like his productions. I don't think that's too odd, most to all of his productions are progressive. And I know what you mean about house, if it's too housey I can't get into it, I love progressive house but if it's the type of house I'm thinking of then I understand. |
Yes I totally agree with you. Thats how his set was. It was real housey. I am glad that someone can relate to what I am talking about. I went to the show expecting to hear some good progressive, but instead it was all house. But, I guess it does happen where a dj will change his style over the years. To each their own.
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| MR STROKE |
| alot of prog dj's are playing a funky prog/tribal house sound now a days...i love it, but i guess what ever floats your boat......plus max has generaly been known to play a dark house/tribal sound....ever listen to his last cd?? |
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| Brizzo |
listen to his recent remixes as well (i.e. 'owner of a lonely heart')
personally i've been loving Max Graham feat. Jessica Jacobs - Gone |
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| deibero |
| quote: | Originally posted by MR STROKE
alot of prog dj's are playing a funky prog/tribal house sound now a days...i love it, but i guess what ever floats your boat......plus max has generaly been known to play a dark house/tribal sound....ever listen to his last cd?? |
i will have to disagree...
djs, including max, are turning more into the electro side of house...acid oriented at times... |
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| dinoXpress |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mike123
I may be the one to blame, but I thought it would be more progressive type stuff (trance at a slower bpm). I got that impression from his tracks that he produced. Sorry if this was my first time I have seen him play live, but the stuff I heard last night is not even close to the tracks that I have heard of his. |
i think you need to redefine ur definition of progressive, as its roots are in house.. not trance... |
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| Mike123 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dinoXpress
i think you need to redefine ur definition of progressive, as its roots are in house.. not trance... |
Progressive does not sound like house to me. Regardless of where it comes from, to me it is Trance moving at a slower bpm. You disagree? |
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| Mike123 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MR STROKE
alot of prog dj's are playing a funky prog/tribal house sound now a days...i love it, but i guess what ever floats your boat......plus max has generaly been known to play a dark house/tribal sound....ever listen to his last cd?? |
No I have not heard his last cd, I'll have to check into it.
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| DJ Intrigue |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mike123
Progressive does not sound like house to me. Regardless of where it comes from, to me it is Trance moving at a slower bpm. You disagree? |
Yes, because you are probably used to the Markus Schulz, Perry O'Neil, and Ozgur Can sound simply by judging from your favorite producers. Many people here refer to this as "McProg", myself being one of them, but I also like to think of this as the "new" progressive. IMO, this new sound is nothing more than watered-down trance that is passed off as being progressive because of the slower pace. So, I do agree that the Markus Schulz & Co. and current progressive is trance like you say. Now, the "old" progressive style can be referred to as the Twilo sound and is much darker, twisted, and generally has more house and tribal elements in it with a nice danceable groove. The former Twilo club defined this style and was at its peak I'll say between 2000-2003. When Twilo went belly up, so did the music that when with it.
Originally, when the progressive term was coined, it was used in conjunction with house and not trance. Producers in this area include Chris Fortier, Randall Jones, Hernan Cattaneo, and Darren Emerson. The older style of progressive is basically dead (much to my disliking) in 2005 and very few quality progressive house productions are being made like they were. It is now all about the light wishy-washy and melodic sound which is more fused with true trance than house and IMO, the term has changed from progressive house to progressive trance, save for a few producers and dj's. However, the progressive tracks from 2000-2003ish are nothing like the progressive tunes now. I absolutely love the older progressive and really quite dislike the new direction it is taking, so no, progressive to me is not trance moving at a slower bpm, it is house related. Although, some tracks like The Word by Weekend World blur those lines.
Some examples of the progressive house sound are:
Jerry Bonham - Seventh Seal (Original Mix)
Fusion feat. Matt Hardwick - Resistance (Steve Porter Remix)
Bill Hamel, Innate, & Andy Moor - Barotek (Blackwatch Threshold Dub)
As far as Max Graham is concerned, I have not seen him live, but from the live sets and mix cd's of his I have, he seems to play all spectrums of progressive. Take is Transport 4 compilation. You have some house tracks such as Blackwatch's remix of Strange World by Greed and some trance tracks like First by Private Taste. The same thing goes with his Shine mix cd. His productions, the older ones anyway, are more on the trancier side of progressive. I can't comment on his newer work since I really haven't paid much attention to him like I used to. I'm sure you were dissappointed with the event, but your opinion about progressive seems jaded and I agree you should check into Max's compilations and live sets as well as the past and present of progressive. This should help in determining for next time what type of vibe is to be expected. |
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| Vyper0987 |
| why does everything have to be grouped into a specific genre? from my standpoint, max graham has made and remixed a variety of tracks across genres. i would not consider him to be a progressive dj, nor would i consider him house. he consistently plays and produces a wide variety of tracks. he frequently changes his style (owner of a lonely heart is house, while his remix of twelve is more towards progressive trance). djs are continously trying to experiment with new sounds in order to open more doors. this is their job, they're artists. continuing to group them together by specific genres and then getting pissed because they don't play that exact genre that you want to hear is silly. if i was spending $40 to see someone spin, i'd at least take the time to see what he was "spinning" (aka not just producing). i honestly don't feel sorry for you at all. |
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| Mike123 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Intrigue
Yes, because you are probably used to the Markus Schulz, Perry O'Neil, and Ozgur Can sound simply by judging from your favorite producers. Many people here refer to this as "McProg", myself being one of them, but I also like to think of this as the "new" progressive. IMO, this new sound is nothing more than watered-down trance that is passed off as being progressive because of the slower pace. So, I do agree that the Markus Schulz & Co. and current progressive is trance like you say. Now, the "old" progressive style can be referred to as the Twilo sound and is much darker, twisted, and generally has more house and tribal elements in it with a nice danceable groove. The former Twilo club defined this style and was at its peak I'll say between 2000-2003. When Twilo went belly up, so did the music that when with it.
Originally, when the progressive term was coined, it was used in conjunction with house and not trance. Producers in this area include Chris Fortier, Randall Jones, Hernan Cattaneo, and Darren Emerson. The older style of progressive is basically dead (much to my disliking) in 2005 and very few quality progressive house productions are being made like they were. It is now all about the light wishy-washy and melodic sound which is more fused with true trance than house and IMO, the term has changed from progressive house to progressive trance, save for a few producers and dj's. However, the progressive tracks from 2000-2003ish are nothing like the progressive tunes now. I absolutely love the older progressive and really quite dislike the new direction it is taking, so no, progressive to me is not trance moving at a slower bpm, it is house related. Although, some tracks like The Word by Weekend World blur those lines.
Some examples of the progressive house sound are:
Jerry Bonham - Seventh Seal (Original Mix)
Fusion feat. Matt Hardwick - Resistance (Steve Porter Remix)
Bill Hamel, Innate, & Andy Moor - Barotek (Blackwatch Threshold Dub)
As far as Max Graham is concerned, I have not seen him live, but from the live sets and mix cd's of his I have, he seems to play all spectrums of progressive. Take is Transport 4 compilation. You have some house tracks such as Blackwatch's remix of Strange World by Greed and some trance tracks like First by Private Taste. The same thing goes with his Shine mix cd. His productions, the older ones anyway, are more on the trancier side of progressive. I can't comment on his newer work since I really haven't paid much attention to him like I used to. I'm sure you were dissappointed with the event, but your opinion about progressive seems jaded and I agree you should check into Max's compilations and live sets as well as the past and present of progressive. This should help in determining for next time what type of vibe is to be expected. |
Thank you for the insight and the history that you shared. I learned alot from this. |
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| Mike123 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vyper0987
why does everything have to be grouped into a specific genre? from my standpoint, max graham has made and remixed a variety of tracks across genres. i would not consider him to be a progressive dj, nor would i consider him house. he consistently plays and produces a wide variety of tracks. he frequently changes his style (owner of a lonely heart is house, while his remix of twelve is more towards progressive trance). djs are continously trying to experiment with new sounds in order to open more doors. this is their job, they're artists. continuing to group them together by specific genres and then getting pissed because they don't play that exact genre that you want to hear is silly. if i was spending $40 to see someone spin, i'd at least take the time to see what he was "spinning" (aka not just producing). i honestly don't feel sorry for you at all. |
I was not asking people to feel sorry for me. I will make that $40 back in less than 2 hours, so no big deal. I am not that educated on Max's new sets, although I probally should be. His older tracks that he has produced I simply love (and I made sure to tell him that). So with that being said I would like to say one more thing. If you took the time and the money to go see Tiesto spin knowing that he spins Trance because of his past sets and the music he has produced, and his set consisted of all House tracks, would you be a little disapointed? But then again maybe you like house. Me, I do not like it. I cannot get into it.
Mike |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mike123
I may be the one to blame, but I thought it would be more progressive type stuff (trance at a slower bpm). |
wouldnt that be slow trance?? |
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