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Stabbing across the street from System (pg. 4)
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| Jayx1 |
| Hip hop music doesnt cause violence as i said...but it sure does attract those who commit it. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
IMHO, there is very little about the hip-hop 'culture' that has any redeemable qualities. Buncha f***ing stupid kids (I use the term figuratively) |
I used to think the same way til I started dating someone who is big into hip hop and has been for about 15 years. There is a lot of crap out there, yes, but there's also a lot of very intelligent, non violent, non derogatory hip hop out there. Hip hop was the voice of a big group of people for a long time - as you can tell from the lyrics of some of the music.
I recently bought him a huge lot of classic hip hop as a housewarming gift and was surprised to enjoy a lot of it. |
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| StereoPrincess |
stop making this about hip hop people.
there was a stabbing linked to one of the clubs we go to. that is bad, no matter what night it was and no matter who was there.
and there is damn good hip hop out there. |
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| Mr. Furious |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Hip hop music doesnt cause violence as i said...but it sure does attract those who commit it. |
While it may not be a direct cause, it definitely influences it.
The same as how the environment of an after hours is an influence for drugs. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
stop making this about hip hop people.
there was a stabbing linked to one of the clubs we go to. that is bad, no matter what night it was and no matter who was there.
and there is damn good hip hop out there. |
why dont the stabbings happen on fri and sat then? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr. Furious
While it may not be a direct cause, it definitely influences it.
The same as how the environment of an after hours is an influence for drugs. |
exactly what i said :) |
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| TrickDaddE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
why dont the stabbings happen on fri and sat then? |
Cause all the hip hop crowd got their lips around the pipe on the weekends! LOL |
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| Mr. Furious |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
...And there is damn good hip hop out there. |
I agree.
...But I consider GOOD hip hop to be like A Tribe Called Quest, or Mos Def, or Common....All of which isn't played at System on Friday's.
Instead, they play Ludacris, Fifty Cent, G-Unit...Y'know the kind with lyrics like "move bitch, get out da way, get out da way bitch"....Or Fifty Cent talking about how a 9mm is handgun is his best friend.
Some might say that that's not hip hop, but rap....either way.... |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr. Furious
While it may not be a direct cause, it definitely influences it.
The same as how the environment of an after hours is an influence for drugs. |
Totally not comparable.
Explain to me what drugs are to an after hours, and then see if the same applies to hip hop and violence.
go on...try. |
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| nathanielc |
This tread is going off on a bit of tangent, but it's a useful one. As much as I hate using the 'blame it on the music' argument (nothing worse than sounding like your parents), I think it could be valid in this case.
Almost every week, we hear about a stabbing, a shooting, a major brawl, SOMETHING, at a club. The one thing that all of these different incidents have in common is that they all take place at clubs playing hip-hop/reggae.
I don't think this is much of a coincidence. Here we have an aggressive style of music that encourages and glorifies disresepect and raging because you can. Add alcohol and you have a recipe for anarchy. The second problem, nobody is discouraging this behaviour at hip hop clubs. Nobody in that particular party community seems outraged that jerkoff gang-bangers are shooting innocent party-goers.
I've been to a good number of parties over the past few years and from my vantage point, fights (let alone other violence) at house/trance nights/raves/etc. are exceedingly rare. The only time I've seen somebody even threaten to beat the hell out of somebody was at Tiesto in December (Boyfriend caught girlfriend with guy's tongue halfway down her throat). Even cops I've talked to like Trance shows because it's a relatively easy night for them. Violence simply isn't a problem in the House/Trance community.
Drugs may be another issue. The House/Trance community has had its share of drug problems. Few things scare parents more than hearing about kids overdosing on E. The fear of drug use has led politicians in some cities to ban large parties (Guelph is a good example). The difference between the Hip Hop and House communities is how they handle their particular problem. Promoters, DJs and party-goers have recognized this problem, and while still tolerating drug use, don't glorify it as a necessary part of the culture. The hip hop community, on the other hand seems to be revel in the supposed masculine ability to be a thug... er... .
In response to criticism, the House/Trance community has placed certain restrictions on parties. For instance, how many all ages events are there? Once in a blue moon! This restricts (somewhat) underaged kids running into problems with E and other drugs. We have also striven to protray the positive elements of our subculture as the defining characteristics of being a fan. The vibe at most House/Trance parties is unbelievable - Freedom, Love, Unity, Peace. We are the New Aquarians (as opposed to neo-hippies).
The Hip Hop subculture has a long way to go. It's time to go beyond the 'Life ain't nothin' but bitches and money' theme that has been the hallmark of hip hop for the past 15 years. I miss the good old days, when hip hop used to be about questioning the racist double-standard of 'The Man' (See Run DMC and Public Enemy). Now it's just tyring to be as shocking as possible to give comfortable middle class white kids something to supposedly rebel with.
Pretty shallow. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
why dont the stabbings happen on fri and sat then? |
because no one goes to system on Fridays and Saturdays anymore. ;) |
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| Mr. Furious |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
exactly what i said :) |
Whoops, muh bad. |
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