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bpm for long term sets?
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| phyrrus |
been djing for a while (going on 2 years now) but i havent had much experience with extended sets. the longest ive played in front of a crowd was maybe 15 mins. anyway, I have a few questions concerning how to deal with mixing over long periods of time.
how do you decide what bpm to maintain your songs at for long term sets? as I'm aware, as long as the songs are relatively close in bpm it's no problem, but what if you plan on mixing songs that are significantly faster or slower than the rest? for instance, if my set started out at 130-140ish bpm, and i wanted to play a song that was around 120, what is the best way to go about it? is it best to keep it strictly within a certain acceptable range, or can you transition to these changes in speed by playing songs that consecutively slow to this speed? |
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| Driguez |
| quote: | Originally posted by phyrrus
been djing for a while (going on 2 years now) but i havent had much experience with extended sets. the longest ive played in front of a crowd was maybe 15 mins. anyway, I have a few questions concerning how to deal with mixing over long periods of time.
how do you decide what bpm to maintain your songs at for long term sets? as I'm aware, as long as the songs are relatively close in bpm it's no problem, but what if you plan on mixing songs that are significantly faster or slower than the rest? for instance, if my set started out at 130-140ish bpm, and i wanted to play a song that was around 120, what is the best way to go about it? is it best to keep it strictly within a certain acceptable range, or can you transition to these changes in speed by playing songs that consecutively slow to this speed? |
first of all,read the crowd,if u go from 140 to 120 everybody its going to leave the floor,start 120-ish then work your way up |
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| WeasiL |
| It depends on what you spin and the direction you want to bring the vibe. I spin a variety of differnt type of trance so I tend to start my sets out with prog which is usually a bit slower then work my way up to some hard trance... again this depends on the crowd so you may have to alter your set. i usually raise the pitch ever so slightly after each track so the set gradually speeds up. or if you doing a real long set maybe pitch it up after every 4-5 tracks or something. |
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| 2rip |
i dont think he's lookin for advice on "when to spin a slower bpm" - he's lookin for "how to get there"
i have ran into this a couple times in my sets. the first step is to actually keep an eye on your bpm in the first place. for me i've noticed lots of dj's pitch WAAAAY up. find something that not only complements the songs you're playing but also find a bpm that sets the mood. pitch is certainly one way to change the mood.
but if you know you are playing something at 137 and you know that your next track is going to be 129, then you'd better make some quick decisions. you can slowly pitch downwards throughout the track so that you don't have any big changes in pitch/tempo that will make people cringe. sometimes i'll do this slowly and then once a breakdown hits i'll drop the tempo pretty quickly and let it build up and into something where the beats are hitting considerably slower than what the track was started at. that is when it's time to mix in, my friend. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by phyrrus
been djing for a while (going on 2 years now) but i havent had much experience with extended sets. the longest ive played in front of a crowd was maybe 15 mins. anyway, I have a few questions concerning how to deal with mixing over long periods of time.
how do you decide what bpm to maintain your songs at for long term sets? as I'm aware, as long as the songs are relatively close in bpm it's no problem, but what if you plan on mixing songs that are significantly faster or slower than the rest? for instance, if my set started out at 130-140ish bpm, and i wanted to play a song that was around 120, what is the best way to go about it? is it best to keep it strictly within a certain acceptable range, or can you transition to these changes in speed by playing songs that consecutively slow to this speed? |
120 * 1.10 = 132
the hell is 120 n e way? :D |
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| phyrrus |
what are you implying exactly
| quote: | | the hell is 120 n e way? |
a lot of trip hop is played at 120ish, which i like to incorporate with trance |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by phyrrus
what are you implying exactly
a lot of trip hop is played at 120ish, which i like to incorporate with trance |
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| Rhue |
| I know this isn't exactly beatmatching, but often when the BPM ranges are way off of either track, i usually wait for the mellow down part of one track and mix in the beats of the other track, that way as they start to buildup i transition to the other track. Yes i know touching the mellow down to the climax part is Blasphemy, but its a neat trick and it works, especially in looong sets :) |
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| 2rip |
you can also work with half-ranges...
for example when i play breaks after coming on from a drum & bass dj i'll cut the drum & bass tempo down from 45 to 33. This usually puts the track in the 130 range and i'll mix in breaks from there. gotta be careful how you do that tho. i usually do this just before the breakdown begins.
with trip hop... you're gonna wanna look at getting the previous record (trance in your case) up to higher bpm which could, potentially, sound like . and you can lower the bpm of the trip hop record and beatmatch.
generally this mixture doesn't sound like it would really fly with me. especially if you're playing " trance" haha. sorry, had to throw that in.
how long you been dj'ing?? |
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| phyrrus |
| quote: | you can also work with half-ranges...
for example when i play breaks after coming on from a drum & bass dj i'll cut the drum & bass tempo down from 45 to 33. This usually puts the track in the 130 range and i'll mix in breaks from there. gotta be careful how you do that tho. i usually do this just before the breakdown begins. |
are you talking about cutting from 45 rpm to 33 rpm? that sounds like it could work, but I use cd players, not records.
| quote: | | with trip hop... you're gonna wanna look at getting the previous record (trance in your case) up to higher bpm which could, potentially, sound like . and you can lower the bpm of the trip hop record and beatmatch. |
I've tried playing with half ranges in the past. it doesn't work very well for trance seeing how it's mostly middle range speeds (130-140) and usually trance sounds really bad when it's sped up. it actually works well pretty with drum n bass and trip hop, since dnb is like 170ish a lot of the time and some trip hop is around 90.
| quote: | | how long you been dj'ing?? |
like i mentioned in my original post, I've been dj'ing for almost 2 years
thanks for the suggestions |
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| 2rip |
basically it takes in around with things in your bedroom until you figure it out. if you are able to find the right time to throw something in you don't even have to mix.
not sure if anyone is familiar with oldskool "uk" breaks. i played a set and dropped O Fortuna by Apophis. The end of that track is one big crescendo and then it stops. You can barely even mix out of it. So we were playin a party and after the crescendo we dropped "I Need Your Lovin'" and the way the opening melody contrasted what just went on w/ O Fortuna made people go absolutely nuts. |
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