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How safe is E. (pg. 4)
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
E all day..... I've done it! In fact I rolled an entire three day weekend. I did a lot of coke, smoked a fair amount of weed and drank a little too but mainly it was pills. Started friday morning and took my last pill Sunday evening. 12-15 pills in total over the weekend. Other then being cracked out for two days afterwards I suffered no ill effects. |
, ide die if i did all that. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
, ide die if i did all that. |
It's like training for a marathon... you don't start out going the whole distance but each time you run you go a little further an a little faster. Eventually, your body gets used to the strain and aclimates itself to is so running a marathon is common place for it. I've been training for 13 years... except substitute marathon for drugs. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
It's like training for a marathon... you don't start out going the whole distance but each time you run you go a little further an a little faster. Eventually, your body gets used to the strain and aclimates itself to is so running a marathon is common place for it. I've been training for 13 years... except substitute marathon for drugs. |
You are a finely tuned machine Moral Hazard. |
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
It's like training for a marathon... you don't start out going the whole distance but each time you run you go a little further an a little faster. Eventually, your body gets used to the strain and aclimates itself to is so running a marathon is common place for it. I've been training for 13 years... except substitute marathon for drugs. |
So much to learn from teh Crackhead Alliance... :D
I need to become some CA's padawan...
/lame ass Star Wars reference... |
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| matt167698 |
Well MDMA used to be legal until 1985 so I would bet that it is safe under certain conditions. However, im pretty certain that the way that we use it we're gambling a little bit. I think I read on MAPS that the clinical dose was between 80 and 125mg but when you start dropping multiple pills over several hours you're probably reaching 350mg and if you do this frequently I bet that nothing good can come of it. The main issue is they dont even really know what physically changes in your brain and what the actual cognitive impact is of those changes. Some studies suggest that your brain learns to overcome the "pruning" of the serotonin receptors. What also makes it difficult even if you are using subjects who have taken many doses of Ecstasy, is that the actual contents of the pills are unknown, plus Ecstasy users tend to be polydrug users so if you have people who take ecstasy, coke, alcohol and then smoke all in one night there will be more damage than if they just took ecstasy alone.
My understanding is that E can cause damage by the "pruning" of serotonin receptors because when youre brain runs out of serotonin it uptakes dopamine but when its broken down its essentially broken down into hydrogen peroxide which shrivels them. Thats why some people try taking Prozac or Zoloft or some sort of SSRI about 4 or 5 hours after they roll, supposedly it blocks the uptake of dopamine until there is a little more serotonin produced and minimizes the damage. I heard about this a few years ago and made sense but who knows.
I also read that the overstimulation of the serotonin receptors may cause some to "down regulate" which is to recede for an unknown period of time so that could cause depression because there are less receptors to be acted on.
Back when I used to roll we used to prep the week before and few days after and I have no idea if it made any real impact. Basically it was a variety of antioxidants (Vitamin C, Alpha Lipoic Acid, etc), Vitamin B, and 150mg of 5-htp everyday until the morning you were gonna roll and then just the antioxidants the day of and then start with 200 mg. of 5-htp about 4 hrs after you start coming down and then just take 100 mg. or so periodically for the next few days. The theory is 5-htp beforehand gives you a better roll since yoiu have more serotonin and taking it afterwards is supposed to minimize damage by stablizing serotonin levels. I think most of the damage occurs from 6hrs after the dose for about 24 hrs. Coincidentally the prozac works for 24hrs thats why some people think it could actually prevent a vast majority of the damage.
The truth is as of right now no one really knows and unfortunately we are the test subjects... |
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| MadMattress |
| I read a story about 5 years ago about a girl rolling for her first time and died from an overdose of water. Death by water!! To me X is the best drug in the world, it's been 4 years since I've done it, will do it again, givin the opportunity. |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
E is very safe. all u have to do is find a hook-up who sells good . if u buy off somebody youve never met before all the time, u might find a dirty pill. even if u get a dirty pill, very rarely will u have an adverse reaction to it.
2 out of 100,000 ecstacy users die from the drug. and again ill also say, its smart to drink water, two sips, one spit if u can, and take breaks depending on how much you're dancing. heavy dancing, more breaks, dancing like to trance or just "moving", u can take less breaks.
its not as dangerous as they tell you. |
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| Xenocreator_PG_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RJT
You obviously don't read the threads you post in and have some sort of ego complex that tells you that makes you think other people will listen to what you say... everyone else has already said everything you attempted to get across in your post, and in a much more tactful manner...
Post something significant sometime or STFU... I tire of your lame ass posts... |
:haha: :haha: :stongue: :stongue: |
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| matt167698 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
E is very safe. all u have to do is find a hook-up who sells good . if u buy off somebody youve never met before all the time, u might find a dirty pill. even if u get a dirty pill, very rarely will u have an adverse reaction to it.
2 out of 100,000 ecstacy users die from the drug. and again ill also say, its smart to drink water, two sips, one spit if u can, and take breaks depending on how much you're dancing. heavy dancing, more breaks, dancing like to trance or just "moving", u can take less breaks.
its not as dangerous as they tell you. |
yeah i dont trust the government at all. One of their primary researchers "Dr." Ricuarte had this whole thing about X causing Parkinsons but it turned out he was using straight methamphetamine and not MDMA because his vials were mislabeled. I think it was intentional to get certain results, but nevertheless until we can get non-biased research done we wont know for sure though.
in terms of the number of people who die from it, yeah not many. So maybe its relatively safe that you wont die but I imagine it cant be good for your brain and I have a feeling really heavy habitual users will have some sort of ill effects now and later. Even I developed a bad insomnia problem while I was using it and I usually waited 6 weeks or so between each time and only took 2-3 pills. I know our bodies are remarkably resilient but still...
Ive heard of people dying from too much water because you dilute your blood so much that it cant carry electrolytes around your body. Also, many deaths are due to mixing MDMA with bunk pills or just bunk pills to begin with. When that girl died in Colorado a few years back from the Green Clovers it was because they had DXM in it and the a few people from Mitsubishi Turbo's they died from PMA and not MDMA. I rememeber how nervous I got one time because I had to be covert about taking a pill in a club and found out after I just took a double stack Mitsu Turbo and this was during the time that the bad PMA ones were going around I freaked out...turned out to be one of the best pills i've ever taken. |
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| Psy-T |
Everything starts with an E
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| DjConfessions |
| u can't spell death without the E in the middle. |
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| MadMattress |
| Trance isnt trance without the E. (can be meant 2 different ways) |
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