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Chirac ( Britain's behaviour was "pathetic") (pg. 2)
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| Dervish |
When 10% of your people are unemployed is that rather a large cap between rich and poor?
I mean if you want to rectify it maybe take some money from the rich farmers and give it too the something like 14% of people below the poverty line in the uk? |
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| St_Andrew |
First of all, i pretty much agreed with everything you said NYCTrancefan :)
| quote: | Originally posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l
i think an europe with an anglo saxon system would be wrong ....
i agree with you that france is right now in the hole but yeah UK has a great economy and very little unemployment but the differents between rich and poor is huge ,the social system not so good so UK has still a lot of problems to deal with |
You can have a country with socialist values, without beeing ing backwards... Look at the scandinavian countries, instead of trying to maintain a system that dont work, they have tried to maintain their systems in a way that goes well with modern ecnomic policies, all of them have very sound economies.
And really, the gap in the UK is not that big compared to what france have now, esp with your high unemployment...
| quote: | | i think as i said previously in some posts that the CAP is a good thing and we should keep it |
You still didnt really rebut all our arguments of why you want CAP left, there really is no sound reason for it. CAP will be europe's end... |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l
i think an europe with an anglo saxon system would be wrong ....
i agree with you that france is right now in the hole but yeah UK has a great economy and very little unemployment but the differents between rich and poor is huge ,the social system not so good so UK has still a lot of problems to deal with
i think as i said previously in some posts that the CAP is a good thing and we should keep it |
The thing about that is this however, I don't know the inner workings of Poland, Slovakia, Estonia, Latvia, etc. but those nations don't have a social system like France if I am inocorrect then please let me know. I watch and read French news and every day there is a strike there, only a few days ago it was over the privatization of a freight train company which the people didn't want. In order for Europe to support such a large social welfare model as in France there is going to have to be a lot of growth and by the way I doubt Blair want's a "Anglo-Saxon" business model, a term I truly hate by the way, to be adopted by Europe, at the same time other nations cannot be supporting the lifestyles of others for their social services, vacations, pensions and farming system. This is the problem I see, Europe continually references America and the multi-nationals, at their own detriment. Where is the growth in Europe coming from.;)
Europe should not be worried about an Anglo-Saxon model but the French model being forced upon them as Chirac looks intent on doing, since without growth that model cannot create a successful and powerful Europe in the future that stands on par with China and America while keeping its population having a positive outlook of the EU project. |
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| h0tsweetbabyd0l |
i think it's wrong from chirac to want to impose our model and our systems ...we should let all the country doing what they want and get the system they want ...
but anyways as we talked before on msn erik i agree we should follow scandinavian countries .... |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l
i think it's wrong from chirac to want to impose our model and our systems ...we should let all the country doing what they want and get the system they want ...
but anyways as we talked before on msn erik i agree we should follow scandinavian countries .... |
but marie, CAP IS imposing your model on other countries! |
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| h0tsweetbabyd0l |
| oOH .....:nervous: i dunno anymore then |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
I think that the main issue here is not CAP, but the fact that Chirac complains about british subsidies when overall french subsidies are actually larger, and attacks Britain for not wanting to give up on the rebate although Blair said that he's willing to reconsider the rebate if France makes a compromise and decreases the CAP, something Chirac has clearly refused. In other words, I wouldn't even mind his hard stance on the CAP if it weren't for such hypocrisy.
That of course doesn't mean that I'm a great fan of Blair either. I think it will be good when they both leave their offices. |
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| sector.30 |
| With regards to the UK rebate, i mean seriously what the hell is Chirac trying to pull? We pay the second most NET as it is into the EU, albeit a long way behind Germany, still considerably more than France, as a very rich nation now I think we can and should pay more in, but Chirac is willing to make absolutely no compramise over it, just a straight demand that we give up the rebate, lunacy! I believe France has found new enemies in Europe. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l
aww i don't agree with you guys ....i think chirac is doing right and that UK sucks ....blair at least !
well maybe it's because im french and too involved with things about france but i dunno i hate blair's politics and it's a shame he didn't lose the elections :( |
Blair's politics? I take it you mean JUST Iraq? But its not like the French would undertake anything like Iraq without the permission of the UN is it?
The thing with Blair is he will be judged by Iraq. He (well, Labour) brought in the minimum wage, he's made the UK's economy the best in Europe (ish!) he's campaigning for aid for Africa and for measures for the effects of climate change (whats France's view on those two issues then?) and he is currently (rightly) pressuring the French to reform CAP (and luckily the UK has its rebate to use as bait, which also suggests the UK is prepared to give it up, providing the French play ball too)
France is completely hypocritical in everything they do. They block the UN resolution against Iraq not because they did not believe in the war but because they wanted to excersize power. They would have been more than happy to help out if they weren't so arrogant. And following the outbreak of war they play the high and mighty moral stance with Germany, forgetting that 4 years previously they both bombed Serbia with no UN resolution...hmmmmm. And now onto Europe. Blame the UK. France ed up on the referendum and so its the UK's fault there is a crisis because the UK has a rebate! CAP? No France needs CAP but the UK does not need it's rebate! Chirac can suck my beatty swollocks
Its coming up to some anniversary of the battle of Trafalgar and I say do the reinactments with the present militaries! |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | | Originally posted by George Smiley he's made the UK's economy the best in Europe (ish!) he's campaigning for aid for Africa and for measures for the effects of climate change |
*cough* brown *cough* |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
*cough* brown *cough* |
I dont see Brown's name down on the invertation list to Gleneagles! ;) |
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| Dervish |
| just cos not-so-fat tony didn't live upto his part of the deal :D |
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