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| pkcRAISTLIN |
haha, no offence taken :)
firstly, your parents invested $MILLION??? scottie, have i ever told you what a wonderful bloke i think you are? :p
i do take your point. and as ive said above, im not saying that IR reform isnt needed, or that tribunals are perfect. perhaps other changes (such as not having to pay thieving cvnts cash) can be instituted. im sure some kind of middle ground could be found, tho maybe im naive.
i still think those external bodies should exist though.
yes, lots of businesses do recognise their good staff. but a lot dont. for every tale of woe you could raise in defence of reforms, i can raise one too in defence of status quo. theres also the issue of staff that ARE good at their jobs, but other issues within the workplace arise. there are all kinds of reasons someone might (imo illegally) want to get rid of a staff member. im sure you know of instances where ppl get fvcked around by their work.
i argue that the power lies with business already (coz a lot of people will never bother to use these tribunals in the first place) and it shouldnt be increased. |
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| batemanscott |
Yeah I agree that the bodies shouldn't be abolished all together, but I loathe the bull that the unions go on with all the time.
I think reforms are as far as it will go tbh. I think the government is doing some clever negotiating with the unions.... offer absolutely nothing then agree on some small offer after some arguing/protesting etc.
By saying they will outright abolish the lot I think they are just giving themselves more room to move in the negotiations that will likely eventuate.
I'm an employee in a company with less then 100 staff so believe it or not these changes could adversly affect me, however i honestly think i stand to gain in the long run, so to will the economy. :) |
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| Dr P |
I think the part of the reform that is worse is the part about employers being able to negotiate individual contratc with employees.
This is a big disadvantage to many unskilled workers out there. |
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| AussieTrance |
How hard can it be to strike a balance - the power has shifted from one extreme to another.
Unions and Liberals - both clueless whales. |
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| narcism |
| quote: | Originally posted by Antistatic
Meanwhile teachers and nurses keep getting ty pay and conditions. |
i heart j00 |
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| batemanscott |
| quote: | Originally posted by AussieTrance
How hard can it be to strike a balance - the power has shifted from one extreme to another.
Unions and Liberals - both clueless whales. |
Smartest post so far! :stongue: |
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| Trance Nutter |
| quote: | Originally posted by batemanscott
Smartest post so far! :stongue: |
If he'd added Labor, Democrats and any other party, THEN he'd have the smartest post so far |
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| Renegade |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance Nutter
If he'd added Labor, Democrats and any other party, THEN he'd have the smartest post so far |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by batemanscott
I think reforms are as far as it will go tbh. I think the government is doing some clever negotiating with the unions.... offer absolutely nothing then agree on some small offer after some arguing/protesting etc. |
nah, i disagree. this has been something they've wanted to do since they came into office and has been a background feature always. and by that i mean abolishing the right of any worker in a small business from accessing tribunals.
when they have control of the senate as parliament resumes this will be going through at some stage for sure. unless the union movement can get enough people agitated about it (i dont think so) amendments will be flying through to the keeper quicker than shane warne's last .
having said that, i wont be out helping, coz im awfully lazy and got better things to do. im just ideologically opposed to the concept. esp in small business, where unions arent as prevelant, and workers are less informed about all kinds of things that are important. ive witnessed heaps of bull in employment situations, and i feel for those a bit younger & less experienced in what a real cvnt the working experience can be.
if IR needs reforming, good. reform it. but dont discriminate between different styles & types of workforces by preventing a large number of employees from accessing equal options.
christ. hmmmm. when did that become 4 paragraphs? sorry :)
edit: yeah, i had to edit cvnt back in coz i dont believe in censorship due to using naughty words :p |
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| batemanscott |
I think the problem is that we are dealing with two extreme's. The current situation which is just plain bull and the proposed new situation which is just as bad but at the other end.
I heard 150,000 protested in cbd today so maybe that will keep johnny from going to crazy with it all. |
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| Antistatic |
| quote: | Originally posted by narcism
i heart j00 |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by batemanscott
I think the problem is that we are dealing with two extreme's. The current situation which is just plain bull and the proposed new situation which is just as bad but at the other end.
I heard 150,000 protested in cbd today so maybe that will keep johnny from going to crazy with it all. |
i hope youre right, and i generally agree with you :) if we can find the middle ground, perhaps the libs can too. tho somehow i doubt it! |
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