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[Trance] Jonas Steur - Castamara [Klangzentrum Remix] [Full 192kbps] (pg. 2)
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| gerrycueto |
man badass drums from the beginning.
I'd check the levels i think it's clipping.
that's a freaking good kick. turn the master down and send me the non clipping version and i'll play it. |
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| gerrycueto |
| quote: | Originally posted by JoeyEnv
-good strong kick
-pretty generic intro, nice clear percussion though
-bass in, nice.
-im not much for that synth, I think it needs more osc, sounds to sharp for my liking. Also think it starts to abruptly. Try a nice simple fade or filter in.
-strings are nice and melodic
-lovin the break
-ah, you've just faded the synth in and it sounds alot better dude. Good stuff.
Good remix you have here man, nice an clear. Good production and structuring, nice mastering. Just feels too 'simple' for me. |
simple is good... I wish more producers on this forum were a tad simpler in their productions instead of throwing a melodyfest... This track is well produced, simple, and gets to the point... People wanna dance to a good beat at the clubs, not attempt to get lost in randomized melodies. |
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| dannyc |
i agree with that point gerry but theres simple and theres too simple that a track becomes cold and empty. gabriel & dresden are a perfect example of less is more working perfectly, but if you listen to there tracks the simplicity is support by alot of other elements that at first go unnoticed all adding to the atmosphere and filling up the mix.
but your right most of the best club tracks are simple back to basics good kick good bass good lead & simple percussion, just this tracks lacks something imo |
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| Klangzentrum |
thx guys!
going to rework it now by improving the mentioned points! i guess an updated version will be online tonight!
your feedback helped a lot! i really appreciate this...
about the simplicy of sound: it's a matter of taste, so i'll probably just add a few more details into the mix...
hope i'll can finish it today! because tomorrow i'll be at the army...
so i'll be home for the first time in 2 weeks... :rolleyes: |
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| gerrycueto |
| quote: | Originally posted by dannyc
i agree with that point gerry but theres simple and theres too simple that a track becomes cold and empty. gabriel & dresden are a perfect example of less is more working perfectly, but if you listen to there tracks the simplicity is support by alot of other elements that at first go unnoticed all adding to the atmosphere and filling up the mix.
but your right most of the best club tracks are simple back to basics good kick good bass good lead & simple percussion, just this tracks lacks something imo |
well it should sound better in a set since it's mixed with other tracks... this may not be the dancefloor stomper but it would make a great fill
As for simplicity used effectively... exactly!! that's what seperates the men from the boys in production. A producer that's good can make a good track with just a kick and a bassline because he knows how to use and abuse the sonic spectrum... so that he has the phattest sound from the most simplest production (a kick and a bassline), while the unseasoned producer will have a very weak track if he was just asked to do a kick and a bassline, and the only way he could use up the sonic spectrum well is by adding more and more melodies and sounds because he does not know how to manipulate the human hearing range where you have something as simple as a kick and a bassline sounds so phat it's mindboggling.
This is no joke. Commercial music is the best example. Check out simple productions like Usher - Yeah... corny little melody, but it's catchy... and it's just a beat with that simple melody and a backup melody... it is so simple, but what makes it effective was how the producer was able to manipulate the sonic spectrum into making those melodies and that 808 drum beat sounds so big and phat, it really pounds in your car. This is the kind of music that sells. People like simple and phat, instead of complex and weak.
Other examples (in the electronic dance music realm) include stuff by Gabriel and Dresden, Danny Tenaglia, Andy Moor, Junkie XL, Felix the Housecat, Benny Benassi, ect. That's why these guys are looked up to in production. They're all over production magazines, and are highly respected in the music industry. While other trance producers who simply throw melodyfests in attempt to fill the spectrum aren't highly regarded and interviewed on various music gear magazines. |
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| dannyc |
| excellent post my man. i always think its funny when djs or trance producers diss usher productions and other commercial tracks. these guys are pros as you say and know exactly what their are doing so when people say cheese do they really mean simplicity i wonder :conf: |
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| gerrycueto |
well i don't like the track or style myself but you have to admit it shows great production skill whoever did it (was it lil jon?) because in electronic music the great producers are those who can make the most minimal simple track sound big.
but there is some commercial stuff that is produced poorly... like Milk Inc... whoever produces them sucks... If it wasn't for the very good vocalist they have, the tracks would be utter failures as instrumentals. Yes they try to be simple and that's good, but it sounds very weak, so they have to resort to using more music if they do wanna pass themselves as good producers, like "The Sun Always Shines on TV" cover they did the music for the production was good, but the production was weak.
Other than that and probably Flip and Fill, I can't think right now of a commercial act that has a seriously crap producer behind it.
As for some good ones that are commercial. DJ Jean gets a bad rap here for being extremely cheesey, but his productions are spot on. Take The Launch for example, just a drum beat and a bassline with a crowd cheering... but it's mixed so well and phat that it sounds great. |
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| shattered~soul |
I really like it, Lars!
Sounds extremely professional :D |
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| Klangzentrum |
* UPDATE TIME*
follwing things are done:
-changed the mainlead sound a bit
-fade in of the mainlead in a longer break
-added a stutter effect at the end of the mainlead
-better transition of the lead in buildup
-compressed the bass a bit more
-changed the closedhat sample
-changed the clap sample
-added some percs in the mainpart
-added some fx in buildup and break
-added a little string in the break
-changed the bassdrum in the break
-changed the breakbeat patterns
all in all just some small changes, but i guess it's in your interest to have a nicer remix than in the previous version...
i'm also more content with the newer one... ;)
Link is still the same as in the first post, but here it is again:
Jonas Steur - Castamara [Klangzentrum Remix]
feedback is of course still appreciated...
// Lars |
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| razor nukels |
| yea!!!!!! good job, i like your remix, it is banging, and the breakbeat at 4:05 is awesome. The breakdown starting at 2:45 is soooooo smooth, i could tell something serious was on its way, that sound is like you are flying, i love it!!!! If i threw it into one of my sets i think i would speed it up a bit but definetly is a dance worthy track. I like your style good work, keep it up!!!! |
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| gerrycueto |
dono if it's me but some parts sound like they are still clipping... like when the kicks do a roll on some parts.... also the kicks need attention.. maybe instead of doing a roll you can just take out the kicks... less is more.
might wanna check the master meters to see if you are clipping if you can't hear it... or check your master compressor maybe you're overdriving it. |
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| Klangzentrum |
thx guys!
can't rework it now anymore (first in 2 weeks), because i'll have to go to army in about half an hour...
hope i'll read a lot of reviews when i'm back... :toothless |
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