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| Akridrot |
Phantax, major and minor are referring to different types of scales. There are three types of scales.
MAJOR: Generally happy.
Natural Minor: Sad
Harmonic Minor
Melodic Minor |
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| Akridrot |
| quote: | Originally posted by Phantax
so a V is called a Major 5th then? |
yea, I believe so. |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Phantax
how come when you click on the chord calculator..if you're on major you can choose only V..and when you choose minor you can choose a small v but you can also choose the capital V when in minor?
oh and there's so much more to understand :/ i dont really get it. |
Because in the Major scale, the V chord is a Major chord. In the minor scale, there are three types... Natural, Harmonic, and Melodic... each having a different arrangement of chord types (major, minor, deminished, and augmented) |
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| Akridrot |
| Alanzo, wouldn't the only diminished chords or intervals be fourths and fifths? |
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| Phantax |
| Thanks you guys...That was fun and fast!!! |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Akridrot
Alanzo, wouldn't the only diminished chords or intervals be fourths and fifths? |
There is no such thing as a diminished interval.. a diminished chord lowers the 5th degree by one interval... and an augmented chord raises the 5th degree by one interval... |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Phantax
how come when you click on the chord calculator..if you're on major you can choose only V..and when you choose minor you can choose a small v but you can also choose the capital V when in minor? |
So far nobody has explained it correctly. Here goes...
The "V" or "v" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being in a major or minor key. It refers specifically to the chord itself. If the "chord calculator" limits your decision, it is probably because it is trying to keep you in the correct key. :)
Chord notation basically works like this:
- Capital letter (i.e. "I") is a major chord. That means a major 3rd and a perfect 5th, like C-E-G.
- Lowercase letter (i.e. "i") is a minor chord. That is a minor 3rd and a perfect 5th, like C-Eb-G.
- The letter(s) indicate what note the root (bottom note) of the chord is on - this just uses roman numerals (I to VII).
- There are also chord inversions, which are usually denoted with a subscript numeral, and they tell you that the "bottom" of the chord is not actually the root, but one of the other notes in the chord. If you don't see one of these, you can assume that the chord is in root position.
There are other parts of the notation, such as:
- A "7" means add a 7th; in the case of "V7" it is always the dominant 7th chord (G-B-D-F in the key of C). On other intervals you'll see "M7" (add a minor 7th) or "m7" (minor 7th).
- "M" and "Maj" are interchangeable, as are "m" and "mi" (or "min")
- A "+" usually indicates an augmented 5th, and a "°" is diminished
There's a whole lot more to this (people spend a good couple of weeks learning all this notation in harmony courses) - if you want more detailed info I found a pretty good explanation here.
Hope that helps!
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| Phantax |
| Im very appreciative for your help...I'll try not to let the knowledge goto waste. Thanx for the extra information!!!!! |
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| Tech0rz |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
There is no such thing as a diminished interval.. a diminished chord lowers the 5th degree by one interval... and an augmented chord raises the 5th degree by one interval... |
You are wrong. There is such thing as a diminished interval.
Take the following intervals.
Unison
fourth
fifth
octave
These intervals may be perfect, augmented or diminished.
The augmented interval contains one more semi-tone, and the diminished interval contains one less.
To take it further, take these intervals.
Second
Third
Sixth
Seventh
These intervals can be major, minor, augmented or diminished. In each case the augmented interval contains one more semi-tone than the major interval, and the diminished contains one semi-tone less than the minor interval.
Hope this clears any confusion up. |
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| Tech0rz |
In relation to the question.
V or fifth is 7 semi-tones above the root. In guitar playing, a basic power chord is played as a fifth. Two notes, the second of which is the fifth of the root (7 semi-tones above the first note or "root")
So a C5 chord would contain the C note, miss the 2nd, 3rd and 4th notes in the major scale ( D, E, F respectively), and play the "fifth", which in this case would be the G.
Have a play around if you have a keyboard or in your sequencer, see which notes sound good together, then work out the interval. |
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| DigiNut |
It's misleading to say that the 5th is 7 semitones above the root. A perfect 5th is 7 semitones, yes, but augmented and diminished 5ths are not. And a person is going to be confused as hell when they see a "V7" chord if they go by that definition!
What a "5th" actually means is the 5th note of the scale. Period. You HAVE to understand the distinction, because if you're ever in a non-diatonic scale (not that this will ever happen to most of us, but it just might if you get into any tribal/non-western styles of music), you'll end up using the wrong intervals if you count semitones.
On most reputable sheet music, "V" indicates a chord, not an interval. It's only in the super-simplified guitar music that you'll actually see a chord written as something like "C5". |
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