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A victory for multiculti over common sense
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| Fir3start3r |
Ah yes...."multiculturalism"...
Interesting points made here and dead on the money with, "[Y]ou can't assimilate with a nullity".
There's responsibility to the country that an immigrant chooses to live in, religion aside.
Native residents have choosen to watch the immigrants get their cake and eat it too, but at what cost?
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A victory for multiculti over common sense
By Mark Steyn
(Filed: 19/07/2005)
It has been sobering this past week watching some of my "woollier" colleagues (in Vicki Woods's self-designation) gradually awake to the realisation that the real suicide bomb is "multiculturalism". Its remorseless tick-tock, suddenly louder than the ethnic drumming at an anti-globalisation demo, drove poor old Boris Johnson into rampaging around this page last Thursday like some demented late-night karaoke one-man Fiddler on the Roof, stamping his feet and bellowing, "Tradition! Tradition!" Boris's plea for more Britishness was heartfelt and valiant, but I'm not sure I'd bet on it. The London bombers were, to the naked eye, assimilated - they ate fish 'n' chips, played cricket, sported appalling leisurewear. They'd adopted so many trees we couldn't see they lacked the big overarching forest - the essence of identity, of allegiance. As I've said before, you can't assimilate with a nullity - which is what multiculturalism is.
So, if Islamist extremism is the genie you're trying to put back in the bottle, it doesn't help to have smashed the bottle. As the death of the Eurofanatic Ted Heath reminds us, in modern Britain even a "conservative" prime minister thinks nothing of obliterating ancient counties and imposing on the populace fantasy jurisdictions - "Avon", "Clwyd" and (my personal favourite in its evocative neo-Stalinism) "Central Region" - and an alien regulatory regime imported from the failed polities of Europe. The 7/7 murderers are described as "Yorkshiremen", but, of course, there is no Yorkshire: Ted abolished that, too.
Sir Edward's successor, Mr Blair, said on the day of the bombing that terrorists would not be allowed to "change our country or our way of life". Of course not. That's his job - from hunting to Europeanisation. Could you reliably say what aspects of "our way of life" Britain's ruling class, whether pseudo-Labour like Mr Blair or pseudo-Conservative like Sir Ted, wish to preserve? The Notting Hill Carnival? Not enough, alas.
Consider the Bishop of Lichfield, who at Evensong, on the night of the bombings, was at pains to assure his congregants: "Just as the IRA has nothing to do with Christianity, so this kind of terror has nothing to do with any of the world faiths." It's not so much the explicit fatuousness of the assertion so much as the broader message it conveys: we're the defeatist wimps; bomb us and we'll apologise to you. That's why in Britain the Anglican Church is in a death-spiral and Islam is the fastest-growing religion. There's no market for a faith that has no faith in itself. And as the Church goes so goes the state: why introduce identity cards for a nation with no identity?
It was the Prime Minister's wife, you'll recall, who last year won a famous court victory for Shabina Begum, as a result of which schools across the land must now permit students to wear the full "jilbab" - ie, Muslim garb that covers the entire body except the eyes and hands. Ms Booth hailed this as "a victory for all Muslims who wish to preserve their identity and values despite prejudice and bigotry". It seems almost too banal to observe that such an extreme preservation of Miss Begum's Muslim identity must perforce be at the expense of any British identity. Nor, incidentally, is Miss Begum "preserving" any identity: she's of Bangladeshi origin, and her adolescent adoption of the jilbab is a symbol of the Arabisation of South Asian (and African and European) Islam that's at the root of so many problems. It's no more part of her inherited identity than my five-year- old dressing up in his head-to-toe Darth Vader costume, to which at a casual glance it's not dissimilar.
Is it "bigoted" to argue that the jilbab is a barrier to acquiring the common culture necessary to any functioning society? Is it "prejudiced" to suggest that in Britain a Muslim woman ought to reach the same sartorial compromise as, say, a female doctor in Bahrain? Apparently so, according to Cherie Booth.
One of the striking features of the post-9/11 world is the minimal degree of separation between the so-called "extremists" and the establishment: Princess Haifa, wife of the Saudi ambassador to Washington, gives $130,000 to accomplices of the 9/11 terrorists; the head of the group that certifies Muslim chaplains for the US military turns out to be a bagman for terrorists; one of the London bombers gets given a tour of the House of Commons by a Labour MP. The Guardian hires as a "trainee journalist" a member of Hizb ut Tahir, "Britain's most radical Islamic group" (as his own newspaper described them) and in his first column post-7/7 he mocks the idea that anyone could be "shocked" at a group of Yorkshiremen blowing up London: "Second- and third-generation Muslims are without the don't-rock-the-boat attitude that restricted our forefathers. We're much sassier with our opinions, not caring if the boat rocks" - or the bus blows, or the Tube vaporises. Fellow Guardian employee David Foulkes, who was killed in the Edgware Road blast, would no doubt be heartened to know he'd died for the cause of Muslim "sassiness".
But among all these many examples of the multiculti mainstream ushering the extremists from the dark fringe to the centre of western life, there is surely no more emblematic example than that of Shabina Begum, whose victory over the school dress code was achieved with the professional support of both the wife of the Prime Minister who pledges to defend "our way of life" and of Hizb ut Tahir, a group which (according to the German Interior Minister) "supports violence as a means to realise political goals" such as a worldwide caliphate and (according to the BBC) "urges Muslims to kill Jewish people". What does an "extremist" have to do to be too extreme for Cherie Booth or the Guardian?
Oh, well. Back to business as usual. In yesterday's Independent, Dave Brown had a cartoon showing Bush and Blair as terrorists boarding the Tube to Baghdad. Ha-ha. The other day in Thailand, where 800 folks have been killed by Islamists since the start of the year, two Laotian farm workers were beheaded. I suppose that's Bush and Blair's fault, too.
I'd like to think my "woolly liberal" colleague Vicki Woods and the woolly sorta-conservative Boris Johnson represent the majority. If they do, you've got a sporting chance. But in the end Cherie Booth and Dave Brown and the Bishop of Lichfield will get you killed. Best of British, old thing.
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| ProDiGaL |
| oh those muslims are taking over the world!!! what will we do!!!?? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by ProDiGaL
oh those muslims are taking over the world!!! what will we do!!!?? |
"Islamofascism" or "Islamization" or whatever they're calling it these days wasn't meant to be implied...
you may want to read that again with this in mind.... |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Ah yes...."multiculturalism"...
Interesting points made here and dead on the money with, "[Y]ou can't assimilate with a nullity".
There's responsibility to the country that an immigrant chooses to live in, religion aside.
Native residents have choosen to watch the immigrants get their cake and eat it too, but at what cost?
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Did that article have a point? And if so what was it? And what's your point? I didn't know you were so effected by multiculturalism in the UK living all the way over in Canada. And nice cartoon, perhaps you should go and join the BNP? |
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| hardcore trancer |
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| ProDiGaL |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Did that article have a point? And if so what was it? And what's your point? |
nah its just some writer have a good ol bitch. OH NOES THEY WILL NOT ASSIMILATE!! Some do some dont, give it a few generations and they will forget their own language. |
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| Fir3start3r |
I explained myself in the last post...:rolleyes:
Some of you need to chill out; Islam may have been used as an example in the article but MY posting before it clearly stated, "immigrants", not "Islamics".
Now for those that decided to reply with the knee-jerked-jumping-down-my-throat-action why don't we read the article again?
Because clearly it questions immigration policies in the Western world.
Of course extreme Islamics (yes the article said, "extreme Islamics") are going to be the arguement du jour; why not???
They caused the deaths of a lot of people in London; remember that? 7/7 ring any bells?
Neither the article, nor I, are saying Islam is bad! FFS people get your sensitivity meters out of your asses!
But of course you'd actually understand that had you actually read the article for what is says, not implies...:rolleyes: |
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| ProDiGaL |
I read the article, its full of bias , maybe you should read between the lines.
I laughed the most at this bit:
| quote: | | to the naked eye, assimilated - they ate fish 'n' chips, played cricket, sported appalling leisurewear |
wow they ate fish and chips, they had us completely convinced lol, those immigrants sure area tricky. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I explained myself in the last post...:rolleyes:
Some of you need to chill out; Islam may have been used as an example in the article but MY posting before it clearly stated, "immigrants", not "Islamics".
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The title and article clearly state "multicultuaralism" and not merely immigration. Besides, you haven't even commented on that...
Why dont you give us YOUR opinion about why immigration is a problem? What is wrong with multiculturalism in the UK and why is it such a problem for you? |
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| Aquarian |
| There's a big difference between culture and isolated radical ideologies. What if you live down south where every redneck likes to carry a handgun around and you accidently get shot, are you gonna say "oh, it's not my place to judge him, he had every right to carry that gun, it's in his culture"? It's the same thing here. You can have a big melting pot of cultures without having to support radical islamist terrorists. In the end, having a greater cultural variety forces people to be more accepting as they grow up in a more diverse environment, and become more liberal and open minded as a result. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aquarian
You can have a big melting pot of cultures without having to support radical islamist terrorists. In the end, having a greater cultural variety forces people to be more accepting as they grow up in a more diverse environment, and become more liberal and open minded as a result. |
Exactly!
So why is it if I point out the one thorn in our side (extreme Islamists) that I get labelled Islamiphobic?
I live in the most multicultural city in the world and I work with what seems every country represented and it's great.
I have Islamic friends and I'm sure if I was go ask them if they agreed with the bombings of either 9/11 or 7/7 they'd say no.
I post a few articles that put a microscope on the extreme Islamics and I'm Islamiphobic???
Please...:rolleyes: |
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| ProDiGaL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Exactly!
So why is it if I point out the one thorn in our side (extreme Islamists) that I get labelled Islamiphobic?
I live in the most multicultural city in the world and I work with what seems every country represented and it's great.
I have Islamic friends and I'm sure if I was go ask them if they agreed with the bombings of either 9/11 or 7/7 they'd say no.
I post a few articles that put a microscope on the extreme Islamics and I'm Islamiphobic???
Please...:rolleyes: |
ok, simple question then. What is it your trying to say, or prove by posting that article?
what is your point? what is your angle? Im confused its like you dont have an opinion, your agreeing with everything you read, even if it goes against the damn article which you posted!! :conf: |
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