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| Michael19 |
haha, it involed alot of giving in though! And if your relate it to to the modern fight against terrorism is nearly impossible to do!
This is just a nice PR stunt. Sf have taken a hammering since the North bank raid. THe IRA will stop bombing british targets which they havent done in 10 years anyway.
I seriously doubt they will stop in the punishment beating/knee capping/ generally ganstar scummy activities they have continued to do. They will move into organised crime just not i nthe name of the IRA.
Look at the uff and lvf, their to busy fighting each other to care what the republicans are doing. THat says it all. Its all about drugs and power know. Loayalist groups have always been scum though. I at least had respect for the old IRA cause.
Its a nice little press release for everyone to enjoy and pretent its all over. ITs going to take decades for both sides up north to actually accept each other.
its a step in the right direction i suppose.. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Michael19
haha, it involed alot of giving in though! And if your relate it to to the modern fight against terrorism is nearly impossible to do!
This is just a nice PR stunt. Sf have taken a hammering since the North bank raid. THe IRA will stop bombing british targets which they havent done in 10 years anyway.
I seriously doubt they will stop in the punishment beating/knee capping/ generally ganstar scummy activities they have continued to do. They will move into organised crime just not i nthe name of the IRA.
Look at the uff and lvf, their to busy fighting each other to care what the republicans are doing. THat says it all. Its all about drugs and power know. Loayalist groups have always been scum though. I at least had respect for the old IRA cause.
Its a nice little press release for everyone to enjoy and pretent its all over. ITs going to take decades for both sides up north to actually accept each other.
its a step in the right direction i suppose.. |
Yea pretty much agree with that altho I do think its more significant than you seem to think, especially in the current international climate when governments the world over are thinking of ways to "defeat" terrorism...but will any of them draw any lessons from the way the British (ok ok Labour) have dealt with the IRA? Probably not |
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| overdose006 |
I think there is an interesting debate, if you can really compare the campaign brought about by republicans to the current war on terror. I myself have not come to that conclusion yet.
Certainly the IRA as we know it has changed over the years. I agree that there is certainly a large criminal element involved, which troubles me deeply.
I wonder if there will be any movement on other dissident groups such as RIRA and CIRA. And more importantly to some extent all those loyalists groups. They arent even involved in the peace process as far as i can see. |
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| Michael19 |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
especially in the current international climate when governments the world over are thinking of ways to "defeat" terrorism...but will any of them draw any lessons from the way the British (ok ok Labour) have dealt with the IRA? Probably not |
But i dont see how you can put the IRA i nthe same group as AL queda(i n hate spelling that!). IRA had specfic goal, united ireland. Does anyone really know what al queda want? its seems they dont like western influence on there countires, that pretty impossible to for western goverments to give into.
I put the IRA in with ETA. But i think al queda are a whole other kettle of fish.
RIRA and CIRA have been non-existent for a while anyway. RIRA took an a massive hammering due to the omagh bombing. I would say most memeber have moved to organised crime i.e drug dealing.
Same with the loyalists. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Michael19
But i dont see how you can put the IRA i nthe same group as AL queda(i n hate spelling that!). IRA had specfic goal, united ireland. Does anyone really know what al queda want? its seems they dont like western influence on there countires, that pretty impossible to for western goverments to give into.
I put the IRA in with ETA. But i think al queda are a whole other kettle of fish.
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I definately differentiate between ALL terrorist groups tho it is possible to put some in 'categories' and I certainly would not put the IRA in the same bracket as al-Qaida. However, terrorist groups do share some similarities such as what motivates their members (ie their grieviences) and I definately think there are lessons to be learnt from this. It is quite possible to put the IRA in the same category as Hizballah on some aspects and there is a lesson from the IRA on how to deal with Hizballah (who are almost certainly as high, if not higher than al-Qaida on America's hit list in the terror war)
And yes I know what al-Qaida want!!!!!! |
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| Michael19 |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
I definately differentiate between ALL terrorist groups tho it is possible to put some in 'categories' and I certainly would not put the IRA in the same bracket as al-Qaida. However, terrorist groups do share some similarities such as what motivates their members (ie their grieviences) and I definately think there are lessons to be learnt from this. It is quite possible to put the IRA in the same category as Hizballah on some aspects and there is a lesson from the IRA on how to deal with Hizballah (who are almost certainly as high, if not higher than al-Qaida on America's hit list in the terror war)
And yes I know what al-Qaida want!!!!!! |
but alot of "giving in" had to be done to stop the IRA. Labour were willing to do that. I cant see bush doing that, he would see it as being weak and wouldnt want to lose face. |
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| Nayil |
| so now theres only Al qaeda left |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Michael19
but alot of "giving in" had to be done to stop the IRA. Labour were willing to do that. I cant see bush doing that, he would see it as being weak and wouldnt want to lose face. |
Like I said, whether the lessons will be learnt is another matter ;) |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nayil
so now theres only Al qaeda left |
Well no, actually
What is left are numerous groups adhering to the al-Qaida ideology
It's useful/lazy to lump them all together as one group but the fact is they aren't, which makes "al-Qaida" a hell of a lot more dangerous/difficult to defeat than we think...either the governments know this and they have decided they can get more out of it by portraying them as one big far-reaching harmonious group, or they simply are not aware of the fact and we're all ed!!
Also, Hizballah are still out there and I am starting to think (from the research I am currently doing) that they are more important to America (read Israel) than al-Qaida ever were... |
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| donegalredneck |
This statement should have been made 15 years ago when members on the provisional army council (who coincidently are senior members of provisional sinn féin) were engaged with talks with the British which could only lead to a ceasefire. Instead, in order to keep splits to a minimum, they dragged it out (resulting in the pointless deaths of many volunteers, enemy personnel and most unfortunately civilians). Had the statement been made in 1990 there would have been a massive split in the movement with a large chunk of the membership turning their backs on Adams/McGuinness. Small splits did occur in 1986 and 1998 when it became clear where the provos were headed - into Stormont to administer rule of behalf of the traditional enemy.
Insofar as the conflict is concerned, this is probably the most important development in our generation. But throughout the history of Irish Republicanism people who previously endorsed the use of force abandoned the 'revolutionary' path for a 'constitutional' one. It happened five times in the 20th century, and in every instance with the exception of one (Clann na Poblachta 1948), and including the PIRA/PSF of today, the new constitutionalists have turned their guns on former comrades who wouldn't jump with them.
In every instance they sought to "change the system from within", only to have the system change them. |
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