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Beatmatching - End Mixing (pg. 2)
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| Omega_Blue |
| ^and the pitch bend function imo is the feature that sets cdj's apart from decks. i wish i had some cdjs |
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| Tranc3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_Blue
^and the pitch bend function imo is the feature that sets cdj's apart from decks. i wish i had some cdjs |
I have 12" vinyl turntable players as well, and those have pitch bend buttons too. But I mostly use cds. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radders2003
Thanks alot guys, that helped alot. Will try that out.
I know what you mean though about just testing them. I need to beatmatch them as best as i can and then mix the track in and make adjustments throughout the mix, is that what your saying?
Cheers guys. |
That is correct. I find that when I'm mixing for roughly every 20 records I mix I'll be forced to drop 2 or 3 in without having them beatmatched. Most of the really good DJs I've seen have one hand on the pitch fader at all times during transitions. |
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| Radders2003 |
It has to be what you said. When the stylus gets closer to the centre of the record. I can tell the record gets faster. This is why my mixes are a bit off.
When i'm beatmatching they are excellent, and they never drift. So i'm expecting a good mix. But as the stylus gets closer to the centre of the record, the record gets faster. I think this is unfair, is there anyway you can correct this problem?
I've just realised too, that it's not really my beatmatching that's the problem, it's the stylus to the centre of the record problem.
So could i beatmatch the records, and deliberately make the 2nd record faster than normal????
Cheers. |
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| Radders2003 |
This is what i've been trying:
Beatmatching the 2 records, then when i'm about to drop the record, increase the pitch of the about to drop record, to make it come in line with the record that's already (this is because the record will start to play faster when it's near the centre of the record. Is that how you do it? |
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| sr126 |
i never noticed that songs get faster the closer you get to the end of the groove! i've been on belt drives too long i guess, those things have a mind of their own. speeding up, slowing down... they are pretty moody.
speeding up the record is an option. i don't feel comfortable w/it, but it can be done. -it's the opposite of what i used to do all the time.
the reasons i don't feel comfortable w/it, is one, i'm not used to it... 2 because since this is new info, i have no concept as to how much faster the song gets (it can't be that much can it???) so i'm afraid of speeding up to much, and train wreck'n it. |
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| Radders2003 |
I just don't know what to do. I'm starting to wonder if it's my decks!
It's weird, i'm beatmatching my records and they sound perfect, and the beats can stay in line for almost 40-50 seconds before they start to drift. Then i make a tiny adjustment and it sounds perfect. But when i drop the record in and then start to blend the 2 records together, they start to drift easily..?? But i've just tested it and it lasted for almost a minute? and yet they drift after 20 seconds or so..?
It could be a number of things:
- I have cued it up a little bit off the mark.
- The stylus is reaching the centre of the record, this means the incoming track will need speeding up
- They arn't actually beatmatched properly?
- Or could it be the decks i'm using? (Direct Drive - Numark TT1625's)
Could it be all 4? Please answer.
Thanks alot
Chris |
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| sr126 |
radders, that happens to me a lot. i'm thinking it has to do w/the cueing than the turntables. maybe you're shoving the record a little too hard, or maybe you don't let it go just right, and it sticks to your hand a little and causes the record to drag alittle.
maybe in some cases it's because the song is getting faster as it the first record gets to the center of the groove.
sometimes the turntable just tweaks a little. |
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| Radders2003 |
At first i thought it was the cueing, but if i miss-cue i can just speed up or slow down the record to get it back in sync.
Just another thought too, maybe it's becasue i beatmatch using split-cue? Maybe it miss-times the beatmatching or something? Would it be better if i beatmatched with one ear open to the live music and the other in the headphones? Because when using split-cue it might lag or something?
Thanks. |
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| Zild |
| The only thing "wrong" with using split cue is that if you start spinning records out at venues then chances are the mixer they have setup won't have split cue. |
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| Radders2003 |
Ah right ok.
So by using split-cue it has nothing to do with the records getting out of sync when mixing?
I will have to learn how the other way to beatmatch. Maybe that might correct the problem. |
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| Radders2003 |
Omg i'm gettin really annoyed. It has to be my decks. I tried the one ear cup method for beatmatching, and i did ok, better than i thought i would do. With this method it's harder to spot which track track is going faster or slower. I managed to keep them in sync and got them beatmatched and they stayed in line, but oh dear when i came to mix the 2 records together, they went out of sync. Why the hell is it doing that? omg.
Thanks, Chris.
I'm going to buy some more decks. |
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