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What do you use as gain amplifier ?
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| everyMan |
Here is my 'problem', even if its not a real problem :
When I equalise a sound, I use soustractive equalisation so, sometimes, the sound equalised become weak around -16db, then I need something to boost it up to around -0db.
I know I can then add a compressor to compress my sound and then adjust the output gain amplification, but I want to know how you are working ?
Is there any simple Gain Amplification Vst ? Some Pro ones with demo version ?
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| DigiNut |
| You should be starting with all your channel volume faders well below 0 (I usually go to -6 or -10 dB). That way, it's much easier to raise the volume on one after eq and such, and you can worry about gain in the mastering phase. |
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| BOOsTER |
| I actually had problems with volume from Synful orchestra and there's a little plugin in Ableton called "utility" it works for stereo separation and gain amplification very easy and very handy...though if you don't use Ableton than I don't know |
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| FrancoR |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You should be starting with all your channel volume faders well below 0 (I usually go to -6 or -10 dB). That way, it's much easier to raise the volume on one after eq and such, and you can worry about gain in the mastering phase. |
Cool tip thanks :) |
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| everyMan |
I'm running FL Studio. :(
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You should be starting with all your channel volume faders well below 0 (I usually go to -6 or -10 dB). That way, it's much easier to raise the volume on one after eq and such, and you can worry about gain in the mastering phase. |
I don't really understand how you solve the problem!?
Hum let say I have a Supersaw sound around -6db with peaks at -3db.
After substractive equalisation, my sound is around -16db with peaks at -13.5db
I can add a compressor with these settings : thresold at -15.8, ratio 4:1 to reduce the peaks to around 15.2db
But it is still bellow 15.2db !! if I lift the channel volume to 125% it reach -10db ...
Ok my compressor has an output gain amplifier so I set it up to 15db amplification.
Now it's perfect, with my channel volume at 100% the sound is around 0db but always below.
But if I DON'T WANT to compress the sound?
Ok I can use transparent setting on the compressor so I use it as an simple gain amplifier, but I don't really like to do it.. but I do it ..
see my problem ? :( |
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| Chronosis |
| There wouldn't be a problem if you'd start like diginut adviced above. Set the kick channel to -6dB (or lower) and start mixing other channels from there. You should have well enough headroom this way. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by everyMan
I don't really understand how you solve the problem!?
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As the above poster stated, it's about headroom. Rather than struggling to come up with a solution, it's easier to just redefine your problem.
If you start with all your channel outputs at -10 dB, and you process one sound in such a way that it's 10 dB quieter, then you can just raise its channel output to 0 dB to compensate. Your master output may be very quiet as a result of all this, but that's what mastering compressors/levellers are for.
On a side note, this is one of the things I hate about FL - it's very hard to figure all this out when your sound is measured in a "percent" - I hope for the sake of everyone using it that they eventually get it changed to dB.
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
As the above poster stated, it's about headroom. Rather than struggling to come up with a solution, it's easier to just redefine your problem.
If you start with all your channel outputs at -10 dB, and you process one sound in such a way that it's 10 dB quieter, then you can just raise its channel output to 0 dB to compensate. Your master output may be very quiet as a result of all this, but that's what mastering compressors/levellers are for.
On a side note, this is one of the things I hate about FL - it's very hard to figure all this out when your sound is measured in a "percent" - I hope for the sake of everyone using it that they eventually get it changed to dB.
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Add a Fruity DB meter to your master channel and solo each instrument you add then tweak the volume til you get it where you want it to be at. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Add a Fruity DB meter to your master channel and solo each instrument you add then tweak the volume til you get it where you want it to be at. |
Yes, that works - it's just so much easier when your gain is measured in dB in the first place. ;)
My mind works in dB. In fact, everyone's mind works in dB, since humans hear on a logarithmic scale. It's easy for me to translate "just a little bit louder" into "1-2 dB louder" - and it's much easier to be able to just raise the channel volume by 1 dB rather than opening up a dB meter and trying to figure out what % will work (especially when the sound level is not particularly flat). It's even more annoying when trying to set up a compressor - then you need to waste two slots in the FX chain for a dB meter before *and* after (since just about every compressor works in dB).
I'm not saying it's impossible, just awkward. :p I'm sure FL users eventually get accustomed to the percentages, but they shouldn't have to. |
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| everyMan |
yes youre certainly right. I don't really like to change my habbits, but I'll give it a try.
Then the final wav will be much too low, I will need Cool Edit to normalize it, right? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by everyMan
yes youre certainly right. I don't really like to change my habbits, but I'll give it a try.
Then the final wav will be much too low, I will need Cool Edit to normalize it, right? |
Waves L2 does the trick nicely. Just lower the threshold.
You *can* also use L2 as a gain amplifier, but you have to be careful, if the input isn't flat then you might get compression or clipping (depends on your settings). |
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| everyMan |
So you advice me to use a compressor to do the job of a simple gain amplifier .......
:haha:
That was my original question! the thing I want to avoid..
There isn't any solution in fact.
The most simple VST just doesn't exist. |
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